Are there Persians in Iran?

[oslonor]

Azeri Turks Views:

The name Persia is a misunderstanding by the Western historians. Iran was always called Iran zamin (Land of Iran) and people in Iran are Iranians and not Persians. Iranian and Persian are the same thing. There are no Persians in Iran. Persian is only a language. There are no such people in Iran. All the people in Iran are "Iranian".

Persian Views:
Iranian and Persian are not the same thing. Yes. Iran has been called Iranzamin (the Land of Iran) or Iranshahr (Iran City). Possibly limited areas of Iran were called these names. Ferdowsi's book from 1000 years ago mentions IranZamin or The Land of Iran. But people of Iran were not called "Iranians". They were called Sogdians,Parthians, Baktrians,Khorasanis, Khuzis, Persians, Medes etc. Also different parts of Iran were called Pars,Parthia,Bactria, Sogdia, Khorasan, Media etc. We rarely see the term Iran or IranShahr or IranZamin used to describe these parts.


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[Artsakh]

Re: Are there Persians in Iran?

I don't think that the moderators should allow our Armenian Forum to be high-jacked and used as a base for silly propoganda against Iran and the Iranian people.

[anilenko]

Re: Are there Persians in Iran?

yeah this thread took so long...of course there are persians in Iran..there are also kUrds,Turks,Armanian and Azeris that'S it...

[Sean]

Re: Are there Persians in Iran?

of course theres Persians in Iran. Persians are Iranians, everyone else is a minority. In fact theres 2 types of persians, Persian by ethnicity, and Persian as another name for Iranian since Iran can still be called Iran or Persia. Therefore anyone born in Iran or any citizen of Iran, be they Azeri, Armenian, xxxx even Nigerian is still considered an Iranian and a Persian.

[oslonor]

Re: Are there Persians in Iran?

of course theres Persians in Iran. Persians are Iranians, everyone else is a minority. In fact theres 2 types of persians, Persian by ethnicity, and Persian as another name for Iranian since Iran can still be called Iran or Persia. Therefore anyone born in Iran or any citizen of Iran, be they Azeri, Armenian, xxxx even Nigerian is still considered an Iranian and a Persian.

No. That is not how it is used. Azeri Turks use Iranian. Ethnic persians use Persian. But this debate is about the origin of Iranian nationalism. You should visit the link and read about it. Iranian is a modern term which has no historical value.

[oslonor]

Re: Are there Persians in Iran?

Azeri Turks Views:

The name Persia is a misunderstanding by the Western historians. Iran was always called Iranzamin ( The Land of Iran) and people in Iran are Iranians and not Persians. Iranian and Persian are the same thing. There are no Persians in Iran. Persian is only a language. There are no such people in Iran. All the people in Iran are "Iranians".

Persian Views:
Iranian and Persian are not the same thing. Yes. Iran has been called Iranzamin (the Land of Iran) or Iranshahr (Iran City). Possibly limited areas of Iran were called these names. Ferdowsi's book from 1000 years ago mentions IranZamin or The Land of Iran. But people of Iran were not called "Iranians". They were called Sogdians,Parthians, Baktrians,Khorasanis, Khuzis, Persians, Medes etc. Also different parts of Iran were called Pars,Parthia,Bactria, Sogdia, Khorasan, Media etc. We rarely see the term Iran or IranShahr or IranZamin used to describe these parts.

There was no "Iranian label" covering all the ethnic groups of Iran. "Iranian" is a modern creation and points to all the citizens of Iran of any ethnic race. The term "Iranian" has no historical and ethnic significance.

Persian history states that Persians built the Persian Empire. Parthians defeated the Greek Army of Alexander after Alexander the Great death in Babylon and saved Persia from Greek invaders. Alexander the Great could not defeat the Bactrians. Alexander the Great married a Persian princess, Roxxana from Sogdia. There was a Persian Empire and a Parthian Empire. But there was never any "Iranian Empire" in Persian history.

Persian history never states that "Iranians" did this or that as Azeri Turks imaginary history claims.

Replacing the term Persian with "Iranian" Azeri Turks are trying to include themselves in some imaginary history of Persia when Azeri Turks did not even live in Iran. Azeri Turks presence in Iran is mainly from 15 century A.D. The purpose of all this is to prove that there was no Persian Empire and it was an "Iranian Empire". And Azeri Turks are "Iranians" and are inheritors of history and traditions of "Iranian Empire" as Azeri Turk Shirin Ebadi claims.

Azeri Turk Shirin Ebadi the Nobel Peace Prize winner claims in a speech when receiving the Nobel Prize in Oslo, Norway:

"I am an Iranian and a descendant of Cyrus the Great Iranian Empire!!!!!"



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[Sean]

Re: Are there Persians in Iran?

No. That is not how it is used. Azeri Turks use Iranian. Ethnic persians use Persian. But this debate is about the origin of Iranian nationalism. You should visit the link and read about it. Iranian is a modern term which has no historical value.

haha you're not getting it. Persias name was changed to Iran officially in 1935. In 1955 it was officialy changed again so taht Persia and Iran can me used interchangebly. So it doesnt matter ur ethinicity, if u are a citizen of Iran/Persia, no matter what ur ethnicity u are an Iranian and a Persian.

[oslonor]

Re: Are there Persians in Iran?

haha you're not getting it. Persias name was changed to Iran officially in 1935. In 1955 it was officialy changed again so taht Persia and Iran can me used interchangebly. So it doesnt matter ur ethinicity, if u are a citizen of Iran/Persia, no matter what ur ethnicity u are an Iranian and a Persian.

Formally Yes. But in reality it is not used that way. If an Azeri Turk claim he is Persian, he will get a strange look from Persians. So Azeri Turks say that they are Iranian. Iranian means simply the citizen of Iran. It does not have ethnic significance. In Iran you have to be Persian to say you are Persian. A Kurd will never say he is Persian. A Kurd says he is Kurd.

[Sean]

Re: Are there Persians in Iran?

Formally Yes. But in reality it is not used that way. If an Azeri Turk claim he is Persian, he will get a strange look from Persians. So Azeri Turks say that they are Iranian. Iranian means simply the citizen of Iran. It does not have ethnic significance. In Iran you have to be Persian to say you are Persian. A Kurd will never say he is Persian. A Kurd says he is Kurd.

whose telling u this stuff? it doesnt matter if ur a kurd or a turk or a baluchi ive herd it time and time again that they refer to themselves as Persians. especially nowadays with all the bad press the word Iran is getting.

[oslonor]

Re: Are there Persians in Iran?

whose telling u this stuff? it doesnt matter if ur a kurd or a turk or a baluchi ive herd it time and time again that they refer to themselves as Persians. especially nowadays with all the bad press the word Iran is getting.

No. You are wrong. American people are not so dumb not to know what country is Persia.