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The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

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  • arakeretzig
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    Caspian Flotilla Takes Delivery of Stealth Gunboat
    19:49 16/04/2012
    MOSCOW, April 16 (RIA Novosti)
    Tags: Russia

    Russia’s Caspian Flotilla has taken delivery of a new small artillery ship that uses stealth technology, the Southern Military District press service said on Monday.

    The warship was built at the St. Petersburg based Almaz shipyard and is armed with the A-190 artillery system, two AK-306 30-mm six-barrel machineguns and a Grad-M 40-tube 122-mm multiple rocket launch systems.

    It has capability to effectively engage enemy warships and troops on the coast to clear the way for assault landing operations.

    The warship, which uses stealth technology, can address a broad range of missions in the Caspian Sea, as well as hard-to-access parts of the water area.

    Russia’s Caspian Flotilla has taken delivery of a new small artillery ship that uses stealth technology, the Southern Military District press service said on Monday.

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  • Haykakan
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    Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
    I had this wild, crazy thought: What if Russia gets the green light to take back the Caucasus and Central Asia if it doesn't meddle in Iran? That way both the West and Russia are happy and no one important gets hurt.
    What would happen to Armenia in a situation like that?
    Well in that situation Armenia looses more then it gains. Armenia has been developing relations with iran rather successfully. Iranians travel and spend money in Yerevan and there are many people doing business which benefits both countries. Iran is also a strategic partner and proved to be useful during the karabagh war. At this point Iran and Armenia have good relations but if the west wins and puts another stoog in charge there then our relations will be unclear at best. The west supports our enemy the turk and iran is its competitor so having Iran in western hands could be disasterous to Armenia. Sure with Georgia back in the Russian circle we will enhance our security and perhaps economy to but we willno longer have any other partner in the region besides the russians thus we will be even less independent then we are now -which is not independent anyways but i think u get my point.

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  • arakeretzig
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    However, some Russian missile defense radars ambitions do not stop there. In the framework of the Joint Air Defense System of the CIS countries after Russia intends in 2015 to equip the complexes S-400 "Triumph" neighboring Belarus and Kazakhstan. The complexes will depart the local armed forces, but in all likelihood, will work in the interests of Moscow.

    maybe eventually Armenia too?
    Last edited by arakeretzig; 04-12-2012, 01:45 AM.

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  • Haykakan
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    People like this is why i say the USA often acts for special interest and against its own interests and why you never know if it will act rationaly or not.
    AZERI-ISRAELI AIR BASE DEAL OUTED BY US
    by Mark Impomeni

    Human Events (Conservative Voices)

    April 10 2012

    Azerbaijan is surrounded on three sides by openly hostile or
    unpredictable regimes in Armenia, Russia, and Iran. Armenian troops
    continue to occupy large sections of Azerbaijan in the disputed region
    of Nagorno-Karabakh, Iran's slow-motion but determined pursuit of
    nuclear weapons is a continual source of instability in the Caucasus,
    and Russia continues to be led by men nostalgic for the Soviet era.

    Only the Caspian Sea to the east offers a relatively tranquil border,
    while providing Baku mineral riches in oil and gas. Beset by turmoil
    in almost every direction, Azerbaijan has increasingly looked beyond
    its immediate neighbors for investment, economic diversification,
    and - more recently - defense.

    Last month, Israeli sources confirmed that Baku agreed to buy $1.6
    billion in missile defense, anti-aircraft weaponry, and reconnaissance
    drones from the state-run Israel Aerospace Industries. The deal,
    undertaken at the height of tensions and saber rattling over potential
    Israeli air strikes on Iran's nuclear sites, underscores Azerbaijan's
    determination to more closely identify with the West. That a majority
    Muslim nation located within easy range of Iran's nuclear facilities
    in Tehran and at Natanz, Qom, and Arak, would engage with the Islamic
    Republic's mortal enemy is nothing short of remarkable.

    Officially, Israel downplayed the significance of the arms deal,
    saying that such international agreements take years to develop. But
    a former head of the Mossad spy agency acknowledged the deal's obvious
    geopolitical implications. Telling the Associated Press that Israel has
    been and will continue to sell arms to friendly nations, Danny Yatom
    added, "If it will help us in challenging Iran, it is for the better."

    Then last month, Foreign Policy published a bombshell report sourced
    to senior U.S. administration and intelligence officials alleging
    that the nature of the Israeli-Azeri relationship goes much deeper
    than buyer-dealer in military hardware. Administration officials
    suggested that Azerbaijan has granted access to airbases - plural -
    on Iran's northern border. "The Israelis have bought an airfield,"
    the report quotes one senior administration official, "and the airfield
    is called Azerbaijan."

    Azeri airfields - either for staging attacks, landing after conducting
    the raids, or positioning forward units such as search and rescue
    teams - would greatly enhance Israel's reach and logistical ability
    to hit targets deep inside Iran. Although Baku denied that it would
    allow Israel to attack Iran from its territory, the FP notes that
    Azeri officials did not specifically deny the other two possibilities,
    an omission that did not go unnoticed in Washington.

    The U.S. government is leaving no doubt about its unhappiness with the
    alleged agreement. One intelligence official working directly on the
    possibility of an Israeli strike on Iran tells FP, "We're watching
    what Iran does closely, but we're now watching what Israel is doing
    in Azerbaijan. And we're not happy about it."

    In outing the arrangement, U.S. officials have as their goal the
    dampening of Israel's intentions to attack Iran - at least this
    year - thus forestalling a politically tricky event for the Obama
    administration in a campaign year. But the administration does
    not appear to be considering the impact of its open speculation on
    Azerbaijan, which if the speculation is true, would be doing a huge
    service not just for Tel Aviv but for timid Western capitals while
    incurring a massive risk to its well being.

    Relations between Iran and Azerbaijan, never good, have been slipping
    of late. The Azeris recently arrested what it described as terrorists
    allegedly in the employ of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps
    and positioned for attacks on the U.S., Israeli, and other Western
    embassies in the country. For its part, Tehran accuses Azerbaijan
    of supporting alleged Israeli hit squads that have been targeting
    Iranian nuclear scientists with alarming efficiency, an allegation
    Baku labels a "slander." The relationship is further complicated by
    the presence of some sixteen million ethnic Azeris living in northern
    Iran. While Baku harbors no territorial ambitions, the enclave in
    Iran is a potential future source of strife for Tehran, which may
    hold the Azeris responsible for keeping the area calm.

    As difficult as it is to fathom the U.S. administration's objection
    to deepening ties between Israel and an oil-rich, strategically
    positioned, emerging Muslim democracy, it is even more perplexing
    to consider why Washington would want to show Azerbaijan the back of
    its hand for actions that unquestionably advance the administration's
    stated goal of preventing a nuclear Iran. Azerbaijan's relationship
    with Israel is clearly mutually beneficial. It has the potential to
    be globally beneficial, if only Washington could look past November.

    Cross-posted from the website for the Center for the Study of Former
    Soviet Socialist Republics.

    Mark Impomeni is a Scholar at the Center for the Study of Former
    Soviet Socialist Republics, a think tank dedicated to promoting
    democracy and free markets in the former Eastern Bloc.

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  • Haykakan
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    ISRAELI REPORT: RUSSIA TAKING PREEMPTIVE STEPS TO BLOCK POSSIBLE STRIKE ON IRAN

    FARS News Agency
    April 9, 2012 Monday
    Iran

    TEHRAN (FNA)- The Israeli media said Russia has made a series of rather
    preemptive moves to block a possible US-Israeli strike on Iran from
    the North.

    Israel's debkafile said in a report that after blocking the way
    to direct Western and Arab military intervention in Syria through
    the Mediterranean, Russia sent its Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov
    last week on a round trip to the capitals of Armenia, Azerbaijan,
    Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan - an expedition designed to
    secure Iran against a potential US/Israeli attack via its Northern
    and Eastern neighbors.

    On his return to Moscow, April 6, the Russian army let it be known
    that highly-advanced mobile S-400 surface-to-air missiles had been
    moved into Kaliningrad, the Baltic enclave bordered by Poland and
    Lithuania, its response to US plans for an anti-Iran missile shield
    system in Europe and the Middle East.

    In Yerevan, the Russian minister finalized a deal for the establishment
    of an advanced Russian radar station in the Armenian mountains to
    counter the US radar set up at the Turkish Kurecik air base, the
    Israeli website said quoting military sources.

    Just as the Turkish station (notwithstanding Ankara's denials) will
    trade data on incoming Iranian missiles with the US station in the
    Israeli Negev, the Russian station in Armenia will share input with
    Tehran, it said.

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  • Mos
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    Originally posted by Mher View Post
    Do you think If Russia was to get directly involved, there would ever be any military retaliation against Armenia by the west for simply allowing Russia to move through it.
    Well I highly doubt the West would attack Armenia. But if it did, yes Russia would come to our aid, it's bound by a military agreement and the West knows this.

    Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
    I doubt there would be any military action by the west against Armenia because they know we have little choice over the matter but a war in the region could be dangerous indeed for us because we are surrounded by a great number of enemies. A stronger Russian presense in the region may be a good thing for Armenia but the illusion of independence will continue to be just that-an illusion. Non of the south caucus states can be independent for now. As for the article i posted i have to say that i also thought an attack on Iran would be foolish by the west but the facts on the ground seem to be telling another story or atleast a related one anyways. Moscow is not amassing thousends of troops and hardware to the region because it thinks there is going to be nothing but peace there. Countries like the USA and Israel are hardly rational in their decision making with special interest always getting its way in the USA. All of this means anything possible. If war breaksout Armenia is in a much better situation then it was in the previous war but so are its enemies. I have said it befor that armenias situation is a unenviable one and continues to stay that way.
    South Caucasus is Russia's backyard. Any realistic actor realises this. The West to an extent tries to respect that probably in return for Russia respecting the West's backyards. For example, the West let Georgia alone during the 2008 war. The Western strategic choice in the South Caucasus is aligned with the Turkish axis, so there's no doubt what are strategic choice should be. Of course we can still hold normal relations with the West.

    Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
    I had this wild, crazy thought: What if Russia gets the green light to take back the Caucasus and Central Asia if it doesn't meddle in Iran? That way both the West and Russia are happy and no one important gets hurt.
    What would happen to Armenia in a situation like that?
    I doubt the West would allow Russia to take back oil/gas rich Central Asia.

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  • KarotheGreat
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    Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

    I had this wild, crazy thought: What if Russia gets the green light to take back the Caucasus and Central Asia if it doesn't meddle in Iran? That way both the West and Russia are happy and no one important gets hurt.
    What would happen to Armenia in a situation like that?

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  • Haykakan
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    Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

    I doubt there would be any military action by the west against Armenia because they know we have little choice over the matter but a war in the region could be dangerous indeed for us because we are surrounded by a great number of enemies. A stronger Russian presense in the region may be a good thing for Armenia but the illusion of independence will continue to be just that-an illusion. Non of the south caucus states can be independent for now. As for the article i posted i have to say that i also thought an attack on Iran would be foolish by the west but the facts on the ground seem to be telling another story or atleast a related one anyways. Moscow is not amassing thousends of troops and hardware to the region because it thinks there is going to be nothing but peace there. Countries like the USA and Israel are hardly rational in their decision making with special interest always getting its way in the USA. All of this means anything possible. If war breaksout Armenia is in a much better situation then it was in the previous war but so are its enemies. I have said it befor that armenias situation is a unenviable one and continues to stay that way.

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  • Mher
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    Do you think If Russia was to get directly involved, there would ever be any military retaliation against Armenia by the west for simply allowing Russia to move through it.

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  • Mos
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    ^^^^^^

    I doubt that article. A Western attack on Iran is not coming anytime soon, maybe next year. This comes from recent intel/chatter in the past months that signals that an attack on Iran is not eminent.

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