Armenian-Turkish Relations

[Lucin]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Virgil,

Stop the nonsense about Iran, Iranians and Iranian-Armenians, please.

(You have typed so much fallacy that I don't know where to start from and answer which.)

I agree with this statement, I know a Armenian that is from Turkey, today she told a fellow friend, "I am going home to Istanbul", are these people retarded? How can you call Istanbul your home?

So? A home could also mean where you live, where you have a house, a shelter. You visit a friend in NYC and then tell him you go back home, Glendale, in a week. And that wouldn't make you a retarded.

[garod]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

I agree with this statement, I know a Armenian that is from Turkey, today she told a fellow friend, "I am going home to Istanbul", are these people retarded? How can you call Istanbul your home?

This is about how you feel the place that you live in. If you look the things with racist ideas, you cannot understand this.

It is natural that this girl feels like at home in Istanbul maybe her family and other Armenians have lived there for many centuries.If Usa,Australia and Latin America's people see their countries as home in spite of their short historical past, Armenians are right at saying this.

Istanbul is a passion, so that Hrant insisted on living there and his family still lives in. If you don't feel to belong, it hasn't already been your home.Any racist as you cannot understand Istanbul passion without living in this city.So what a pity for you.

[Virgil]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Virgil,

Stop the nonsense about Iran, Iranians and Iranian-Armenians, please.

(You have typed so much fallacy that I don't know where to start from and answer which.)






So? A home could also mean where you live, where you have a house, a shelter. You visit a friend in NYC and then tell him you go back home, Glendale, in a week. And that wouldn't make you a retarded.

I don't understand your last point, but with regards to my "fallacy", are you honestly saying you are equally free in Iran than in Armenia? I just want to understand how you opt to live under Islamic law, but refuse to live in the homeland? Does this make sense to you? It makes absolutly no sense to me. Furthermore, in Glendale and Watertown, even when Armenians move into "liberal and free" societies they still shy away from their Armenian culture, it is as if the Armenian identity of that person is the inferior portion of the identity, you would not understand my point because you don't live here in the United States, but Armenians in general view themselves as inferior, that is the only reasonable conclusion I have come to or else moving out of country because you are "oppressed" and then coming to the United States and holding the same amount of interest for the host culture you were previous exposed to, makes absolutly no sense to me.

Second of all, my piont again stems from the oxymoran existence of Turkish-Armenians, take nice deep breath and understand what it is I am telling you, read it again, Turkish-Armenian? Does reading these words make you feel good about yourself, personally, it makes feel like a idiot. It is a slap in the face and I don't see how you or anyone else can justify it, it makes no sense to live under a regime that has done so many horrific things to Armenians.

[Virgil]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

This is about how you feel the place that you live in. If you look the things with racist ideas, you cannot understand this.

It is natural that this girl feels like at home in Istanbul maybe her family and other Armenians have lived there for many centuries.If Usa,Australia and Latin America's people see their countries as home in spite of their short historical past, Armenians are right at saying this.

Istanbul is a passion, so that Hrant insisted on living there and his family still lives in. If you don't feel to belong, it hasn't already been your home.Any racist as you cannot understand Istanbul passion without living in this city.So what a pity for you.

xxxx you, again, "racist"? Your government is racist, furthermore, go to a Turkish forum, I don't see how Armenian discussion regarding my people should involve a degenerate Turk like you. I am trying to get to a underlying point, I find it funny that these Armenians opt to live and embrace a government that marginalizes them on a daily basis instead of living in Armenia. And go fix Article 301 before calling anyone a "racist", loser.

[garod]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

How do you know that what I think and do regarding article 301.
Also what do you know about "my degeneration".Did you meet and also slip with me?Take your f..k .Sorry but my p..sy is busy now.

Shortly It is unnecessary to discuss with a narrow minded ignorant person as you.

[TomServo]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

I don't understand your last point, but with regards to my "fallacy", are you honestly saying you are equally free in Iran than in Armenia? I just want to understand how you opt to live under Islamic law, but refuse to live in the homeland? Does this make sense to you?

Marcos Grigorian, an Iranian Armenian artist, moved there. Hetq has a few articles on him.

[Lucin]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

I suggest you be a bit more rational, and not blow hot air. I was not talking about diasporans moving or not moving to Armenia.
And if you don't know much about the situation of Armenians in Iran, then you'd rather not rely on some hearsay and not make long posts telling us how Armenians are "mistreated" in Iran.

As for why they "don't move" to Armenia; you seem to be totally confused and/or clueless. Many have done so, either permanently or temporarily; by keeping a home in Iran and one in Armenia, many have started a business there, many are visiting the country on a regular basis; overall Parskahays have probably contributed most to the Armenian economy in different ways, especially in recent years.

Now, I wonder where you get this kind of first hand nonsense:

For the most part they are out of harms way, but they live in a state of fear because on a constant basis muslim Iranians are investigating the actions of their Christians neighbors in order to implicate of breaking Islamic laws, they live in a state of fear. If you ask any Armenian from Iran how Iranians "really" view and treat them, most will tell you that in Iran Armenians are a second class citizen.
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I don't get it, its mind boggling somtimes. I ask some Paskahye (Make Paskhahye into Lebenese Armenian, same example, not picking anyone), "hey, Paskahye xyz, why are you listening to Persian music and speaking Persian in America? Didn't you leave Iran under the pretense of being 'persecuted for your beleifs'"? I recall one older Paskahye gentlemen saying somthing along the lines that Iranians use to call Armenains "Sag Ermani" (Armenian dog in Persian) on a daily basis, now all of a sudden, when in the US, they embrace Persian culture more than the Armenian culture?

Second of all, my piont again stems from the oxymoran existence of Turkish-Armenians, take nice deep breath and understand what it is I am telling you, read it again, Turkish-Armenian? Does reading these words make you feel good about yourself, personally, it makes feel like a idiot. It is a slap in the face and I don't see how you or anyone else can justify it, it makes no sense to live under a regime that has done so many horrific things to Armenians.

Again you totally missed my point. My talk was not referred to Armenians in Turkey.
As for Polsahays, I can't imagine how they live in Turkey. Many of them seem to be in the image of their Patriarch, but I'm sure some of them are not staying there willingly.

[Virgil]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

I suggest you be a bit more rational, and not blow hot air. I was not talking about diasporans moving or not moving to Armenia.
And if you don't know much about the situation of Armenians in Iran, then you'd rather not rely on some hearsay and not make long posts telling us how Armenians are "mistreated" in Iran.

My relatives live there, they own a home there, actually, I have one uncle that lives in Armenia and one aunt that lives in Iran, my parents visited Iran two years ago, for the most part they agree that Armenians have some rights, but they are still treated as second class citizens. Furthermore, I just want to ask you, are you telling me that Armenians living in the Middle-East are as free as those that live in Armenia? Just answer this question, I will refrain talking about "Iranian Armenians". And do you think that it is justified to come to the United States from the Middle-East and still partake in Middle-Eastern culture, a culture that Armenians were forced to live under due to the genocide and conquest? Again, not a attack you, just a question I want you or anyone else to answer because it makes absolutly no sense to me, if you were forced to leave your homeland you should at least try your best to catch up with your Armenian identity.

As for why they "don't move" to Armenia; you seem to be totally confused and/or clueless. Many have done so, either permanently or temporarily; by keeping a home in Iran and one in Armenia, many have started a business there, many are visiting the country on a regular basis; overall Parskahays have probably contributed most to the Armenian economy in different ways, especially in recent years.

No, I am not clueless, most have and some have not, I am glad they are though and I have heard that a lot of property is being bought by Iranian-Armenains, which is good, but again your missing the point, go reread what I wrote.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Lucin,

Back in the days, Armenians were segregated in Iran. I.E. If you were Armenian, you couldn't drink from the same water fountain, eat in the same restaurant, shop in the same stores as Muslim Iranians. That was decades ago.

However, currently, Iran is probably the most religiously diverse county in the region. Generally, Armenians are well-respected in Iran, enjoy religious freedom and the ability to carry on customs and traditions.

One could argue that with respect to public protest, Armenians in Iran are far more organized and vocal than America-hyes.

[Virgil]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

One could argue that with respect to public protest, Armenians in Iran are far more organized and vocal than America-hyes.

Exactly and how would you convince the more natinalistic portion of the Diaspora to go back to Armenia? By convincing them they are still second class citizens and need to leave the Middle-East. The Armenians in Syria, Lebannon, and Iran are very important to the Armenian cause because they still have a strong Anti-Turkish sentiments and are nationalistic. When they go to Europe and America, they adopt liberal ideologies via education system and media, thus, forgetting the importance of being Armenian and defending Armenian values, they just stagnate and eventually assimilate (Actually, the recent trend is to adapt, which leads to more problems). The Middle-Eastern Armenian Diaspora is still raw, these Armenians still have some fight in them, we need to export them to Armenia instead of western states. The Armenians in western states are soft, they don't have a fighting will, they need to assimilate and move on with their lives because they are not doing squat for the Armenian people. Understand "foreign aid" and or "foreign money" does not benefit the Armenian people, it just makes them more dependent on the Diaspora, when in fact they have to self sufficient.

Conversly, American-Armenians and European Armenians are for the most a handjob of the state, they are brainwashed with foreign values (Which for the most part, destroy any love for themselves) and their lives are heavly integrated in the economic, politic, and social fabric of the respective western states they immigrated to, therefore, they are soft and useless to the Armenian people, we don't need them in Armenia and frankly, I don't think they have it in them to move back to Armenia. This is the reality I have come to, by the time Armenian-American xyz gets to adult age he has already betrayed all the core Armenian core values, there is nothing for him to defend and furthermore, he has tasted the "luxories" of these states and is not willing to give them up for the good of his people.