Armenian-Turkish Relations

[Eddo211]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Turkish PM again linked Karabakh to Armenian-Turkish rapprochement
10.12.2009 14:07 GMT+04:00

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ AKP will not support ratification of Armenian-Turkish protocols unless progress is registered in Karabakh talks, Turkish PM said.

“If we introduce the protocols to the parliament today, they won’t not be ratified,” Recep Tayyip Erdogan said during a meeting with U.S. President Barack Obama.

Erdogan called on Obama to press for resolution of the Nagorno Karabakh conflict. “Use your influence on both Armenia and Nagorno Karabakh. If the conflict is resolved we can ratify the protocols which will open the border with Armenia in a very short time,” he said.

http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=40562

U.S. Congress may pass Armenian Genocide resolution if Turkey-Armenia protocols aren’t ratified
10.12.2009 13:25 GMT+04:00
PanARMENIAN.Net/ During a meeting with Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, U.S. President Barack Obama called for soonest ratification of Armenia-Turkey protocols by the Turkish parliament.

Obama warned that it would be difficult to prevent passage of the Armenian Genocide resolution in the U.S. Congress if the protocols are not ratified, Hurriyet reported.

http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=40558

Turkey’s ambassador to U.S. resigns
10.12.2009 12:28 GMT+04:00

PanARMENIAN.Net/ Turkey's ambassador to the United States, Nabi Sensoy sent in his resignation on Wednesday, according to Anatolian Agency.

Sensoy's request came a day after the meeting between Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and U.S. President Barack Obama. The Turkish government is reported to accept the resignation.

http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=40556

[Muhaha]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

I wonder how much of it is just Erdogan's B.S and how much of it actually real about them connecting Artsakh with Turkey-Armenia relations. I can't stand the way Armenia is sitting back and not screaming at the top of it's lunges about Turkey obstructing the normalization process and breaking the deals. Serj's PR department is single handedly screwing everything up.

[hipeter924]

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Armenian diplomacy dramatically fails to use such outrageous claims on their own behalve. Azerbaijan is now directly threatening Armenia herself, and we just don't mind.

We have even forgotten what happened in Julfa. We even renovate their mosques in Artsakh (I have seen it myself), and they are raising the issue of ''destruction of Azerbaboon heritage'' in the Council of Europe.

We must never give an inch of land back to Azerbaijan, we should have raised the issue of Nachichevan (which belonged to Armenia) and Kelbajar, a long time ago. This would have give us more diplomatic strength.

May death follow for those who are prepared to give an inch of our historic territories to the devils.

The current ruling coalition in Armenia is already losing support as the days go on, also I think if they tried to give territory to the Azeri's then both Karabakh and the military of Armenia would refuse, alongside the Armenian's who live in Karabakh, the Armenian diaspora would also certainly put crushing economic pressure on the Armenian Government. The result: ruling coalition collapses and new elections have to be held. So if the Armenian government is smart they won't risk such political suicide.

[Tigranakert]

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Armenian diplomacy dramatically fails to use such outrageous claims on their own behalve. Azerbaijan is now directly threatening Armenia herself, and we just don't mind.

We have even forgotten what happened in Julfa. We even renovate their mosques in Artsakh (I have seen it myself), and they are raising the issue of ''destruction of Azerbaboon heritage'' in the Council of Europe.

We must never give an inch of land back to Azerbaijan, we should have raised the issue of Nachichevan (which belonged to Armenia) and Kelbajar, a long time ago. This would have give us more diplomatic strength.

May death follow for those who are prepared to give an inch of our historic territories to the devils.

[Tigranakert]

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Azerbaijani Parliament may annul decision about transferring Zangezur to Armenia

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Gultekin Hajibeyli

Interview with Gultekin Hajibeyli, deputy chairman of Azerbaijani Parliament committee on international relations and interparliamentary ties.

The Karabakh conflict has started 20 years ago while the OSCE Minsk Group that has been meditating it settlement is almost 18 years old. The group has yet failed to attain a breakthrough in the conflict settlement. Is it not time to transfer the settlement mission to the UN Security Council?

I think Minsk group’s activity in the past period showed that its purpose is not to attain settlement but to create a visibility of efforts in this direction. The periodical visits of the MG co-chairs to the region, statements of the frequently replaced co-chairs showed that it is senseless to expect this formation to provide assistance to the fair resolution of the conflict. It is not surprising considering that the countries with traditionally strong Armenian Diasporas are represented among the three MG co-chairs. As is known, the French Senate has recently recognized the mythical “Armenian genocide”. It would have been logical to include Turkey into the list of the co-chairs to attain a balance in mediation. But nothing of this kind is done. Therefore, the sole familiarization with the list of the Minsk Group co-chairs shows the direction in which the settlement process is held.

You have mentioned France, but the third co-chair-the United States-has not yet made any serious pressure on aggressor Armenia…

Right. The United States have long been allocating direct financial assistance to the occupational regime in Nagorno Karabakh under pretense of the humanitarian aide. In other words, it would be naïve to expect from the OSCE Minsk Group to make a significant contribution to the settlement of the Karabakh conflict with such composition. Obviously, there are two variants of settlement: concessions from Azerbaijan’s part which would mean capitulation and disavowal of occupational policy by Armenia. Though the recent events show that it would be very difficult to call Armenia encouraged by the superpowers to order and peace

The MG co-chairs state that the so-called corridor of 15 km in width will be created in the Lachin region of Azerbaijan and transferred under Armenian controll. Is there is a notion of “a corridor” in the international law?

No, there is no. And certainly, there is a question: then why not open a corridor between the main part of Azerbaijan and the Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic that was isolated from the rest part in the result of the transfer of ancient Azerbaijani lands of Zangezur to Armenia under the Soviet regime? Who has said that the security of Karabakh Armenia is more important than the security of 400,000 Azerbaijanis residing in Nakhchivan? In fact, the transfer of the “Lachin corridor” under Armenian control means the transfer of the whole Lachin region to Armenia which is obviously inadmissible

By the way, in the early 1990s it was proposed to create another corridor linking Azerbaijan and Nakhchivan via Megri.

The territory of the former Zangezur, which is a part of ancient Azerbaijani lands, was presented to Armenia as a “gift” on 1 December 1922 on occasion of the anniversary of establishment of the Soviet regime in this country. I think as today the Azerbaijani Republic is a successor of the Azerbaijan People’s Republic of 1918-1920 that involved Zangezur, we can raise this issue in the legal area. Moreover, the corridor via Megri will not only annul the enclave situation of Nakhchivan but also lead to the closer neighborhood of Azerbaijan and Turkey.

Do you think such script is possible?

Certainly, it is not. On the whole, the mass settlement of Armenians in the South Caucasus with the further creation of the artificial Armenian state in the ancient Azerbaijani .lands and the further establishment of the Armenian autonomy in another Azerbaijani region – Karabakh- for the purpose of creating conditions for new annexation of the Azerbaijani lands-aims at creating a barrier between Azerbaijan and Turkey and preventing their integration.

Can the Azerbaijani parliament annul the political and legal acts on the transfer of Azerbaijani lands to Armenia adopted by the USSR government?

This is a principal issue. Milli Medjlis (Azerbaijani Parliament) can at least annul the decision about transferring Zangezur to Armenia. The situation about Irevan which was surrendered by the government of the Azerbaijan People’s Republic in 1918 due to political expediency is quite different. The thing is that a fierce fight was conducted at that time for Baku and the situation was that there could have been created serious problems with recognition of this city as a capital of Azerbaijan at the Versailles peace conference. As we have already mentioned, Zangezur was transferred after creation of the USSR and I think we can and must return to this issue.

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[gegev]

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Charlie Rose’s guest on Tuesday Dec. 8, will be Erdogan. Before it Rose treated Erdogan very kindly.

I wander how she would calmly talk to the 1,500,000 Armenians murderer’s successor? And AG number 1 denier.

http://www.charlierose.com/

[Catharsis]

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After White House Meeting,
Erdogan Says Turkey-Armenia Ties
Connected to Karabakh

WASHINGTON (Combined Sources)—Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan told reporters after his meeting with President Obama that the normalization of Armenia-Turkey relations was contingent on the resolution of the Karabakh conflict.

According to Erdogan, the US and Turkish leaders discussed relations between Azerbaijan and Armenia.

“This is important in the context of relations between Turkey and Armenia,” he said, adding that the two also discussed the Karabakh conflict within the framework of the OSCE Minsk Group.

On the issue of Turkish-Armenian reconciliation, Obama said Erdogan had been “courageous” in his efforts to normalize the decades-old resentment and bitterness.

Obama and Erdogan were also reported to have discussed Iran. According to Reuters, Obama said on Monday that Turkey could be an “important player” in efforts to resolve the long-running dispute over Iran’s nuclear program.

The US President made the statement during a White House meeting with Erdogan, who said his country stands ready to do whatever it can to achieve a diplomatic solution to the issue.

Obama said he had stressed the importance of resolving the dispute “in a way that allows Iran to pursue peaceful nuclear energy, but provides assurances that it will abide by international rules and norms.”

“I believe that Turkey can be an important player in trying to move Iran in that direction,” the president was quoted as saying by AFP.

Obama also praised Turkey for its role in Afghanistan, where it has some 1,700 troops.

[Armanen]

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None of this matters as long as Serj keeps his ground. There's really nothing that can be done negatively to Armenia if it doesn't agree to surrender the territories unless the EU, Russia, and U.S all agreed they were against Armenia and pushed heavily for the Turkish-Azeri side. This is possible, but not likely in the near future.

It wouldn't even require the eu or the u.s. to side with azerbaijan. All it takes is Russia, they have the most influence and resources in the region, and they have a strong grip on Armenia. However, as long as we serve their interests, which will be for sometime to come, they will not weaken Armenia to the point where we have to give up Artsakh. Afterall, Armenia is their only strategic partner in the region and provides a check to Iranian, and turkish encroachment.

[Muhaha]

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None of this matters as long as Serj keeps his ground. There's really nothing that can be done negatively to Armenia if it doesn't agree to surrender the territories unless the EU, Russia, and U.S all agreed they were against Armenia and pushed heavily for the Turkish-Azeri side. This is possible, but not likely in the near future.

[Armanen]

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But Erdogan issued it to the White House. They would not back out of this after repeating time and again that Artsakh 'resolution' (ie Armenian abandonment of Artsakh to Azeris) is part of the 'deal' of the establishment of Armeno-Turkish relations - already a clear violation of the so-called agreement between the sides.

He made these statements to an azeri news outlet, so who knows if official ankara actually said this to Washington. We must not believe that this is a washington or even eu lead rapprochement, Moscow is the main initiator and they have the most clout in the region. Also, the azeribajani leadership and people already feel betrayed by the signing of the protocols, so the turkish governmental pr department is doing as much as it can to soothe azeri resentment.

I don't put to much into what public officials have to say, 9 times out of 10 it is fluff. Regardless, as we near the New Year and into the first quarter of 2010, we'll see what comes of the Armenian-turkish protocols. Many of the opinions/accusations on both sides will be disproven.