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  • Federate
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    Ter-Petrosian Bloc Toughens Stance On Turkey-Armenia Deal


    In a clear toughening of its position, Armenia’s largest opposition alliance has officially condemned as “immoral and inadmissible” the signing of landmark agreements to normalize Turkish-Armenian agreements.
    The Armenian National Congress (HAK) again accused President Serzh Sarkisian of willingly sacrificing greater international recognition of the Armenian genocide in return for what it called false Turkish promises to unconditionally reopen the border between the two countries.

    “No Armenian leader has ever given such big gifts to the Turkish state and nation,” Levon Zurabian, the HAK’s central office coordinator, charged on Wednesday, presenting the bloc’s official reaction to the weekend signing ceremony in Zurich that made headlines in the international media.

    “The signing of the Turkey-Armenia protocols is the latest unfortunate proof of the ruling regime’s political bankruptcy and diplomatic wretchedness,” read a separate statement issued by the HAK.

    The alliance led by former President Levon Ter-Petrosian again based its criticism on a protocol clause that calls for a joint Turkish-Armenian study of the 1915 mass killings of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. Like many in Armenia and its Diaspora, it believes that the Turks would exploit the study to prevent more countries from recognizing what many historians consider the first genocide of the 20th century.

    “Even this immoral and inadmissible deal did not live up to Armenia’s expectations,” the HAK statement said, pointing to Turkish leaders’ continuing linkage between border opening and a resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. It said Ankara will achieve its main objectives even if it fails to ensure the mandatory ratification of the protocols by the Turkish parliament.

    The HAK similarly condemned the planned formation of a Turkish-Armenian historical “sub-commission” when it reacted to the August 31 publication of the two protocols in an early September statement. Still, it said at the time that the documents mark “considerable progress” towards the normalization of Turkish-Armenian relations, something which Ter-Petrosian himself had championed during his 1991-1998 presidency.

    Ter-Petrosian stood by that statement when he addressed thousands of supporters rallying in Yerevan on September 18. He harshly criticized instead Sarkisian’s conciliatory policy on the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

    In its latest statement, the HAK likewise accused Sarkisian of seeking to make “equally unacceptable concessions” to Azerbaijan. The bloc repeated its claims that the only way to thwart “this anti-national process” is for Armenia’s leading political groups to form an anti-government coalition and force Sarkisian into resignation.

    Zurabian made clear that the HAK has no plans to join a newly formed grouping of a dozen opposition parties led by the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnaktsutyun) which was formed earlier this month to fight against the implementation of the Turkish-Armenian accord. He claimed that Dashnaktsutyun maintains close ties with the government, arguing that it is still not seeking Sarkisian’s resignation despite its harsh criticism of his policy on Turkey.

    Dashnaktsutyun leaders have said that they will fight for “regime change” in the country only if they fail to prevent the protocols’ ratification by Armenia’s parliament.

    In a clear toughening of its position, Armenia’s largest opposition alliance has officially condemned as “immoral and inadmissible” the signing of landmark agreements to normalize Turkish-Armenian agreements.

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  • Haykakan
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    Anyone else notice how whenever a foreign leader comes to Armenia or the Armenian president goes to a foreign event/meeting, the Armenian President has a visit to Moscow the next week?

    Wow your implying that Armenia consults with russia regarding its foreign policy? What a shocking revalation indeed! Like you need to get a job at the CIA quick they can use a sharp guy like you.

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  • Armanen
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    Originally posted by AlphaPapa View Post
    Don't believe everything you hear, and only half of what you see. The Azeri's (top leadership) know more about the protocols than our very own s sarkisyan. Any move by Turkey is a move for Azerbaijan...always will be. Anyone who trusts a racist Turkish government, such as what they've had for 100 years now, is a fool. Anyone who is willing to go against the greater Armenian peoples wishes, to appease / give in to the same government is not caring about our future one bit.

    Anyone else notice how whenever a foreign leader comes to Armenia or the Armenian president goes to a foreign event/meeting, the Armenian President has a visit to Moscow the next week?


    Who's your daddy, serzh?

    So then you should understand that Russia is behind these protocols and Serj's 'daddy' is Putin/Medveedev, and that he doesn't have much of a choice. Add to that the pressure from brussels and washington, and you have the present situation.

    Armenia is trying to get the best deal out of something that was going to happen sooner or later and with or without its consent.
    Last edited by Armanen; 10-13-2009, 10:11 PM.

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  • Eddo211
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    Armenian-Turkish Protocols To Confirm Kars Treaty

    YEREVAN (PanArmenian.net)—If signed, the protocols on establishing relations between Armenia and Turkey will give legal power to the treaty of Kars, signed between Kemalist Turkey and the Soviet government on October 13, 1921, according to Arman Melikyan, the former Foreign Minister of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.

    The fifth clause in the first protocol establishing diplomatic relations between the two countries requires “the the mutual recognition of the existing border between the two countries as defined by the relevant treaties of international law.”

    The only relevant treaty defining the de facto borders between the Republic of Armenia and Turkey is the Treaty of Kars, signed between Turkey and Bolshevik Russia, as well as the Soviet Republics of Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Armenia. Armenia, as vassal state at the time, was forced to relinquish its rights to the treaty of Sevres and cede control of Nakhichevan and Nagorno Karabakh to Azerbaijan. The treaty was not reconfirmed following the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    “The Kars agreement stipulated the acknowledgement of borders between Turkey and the Caucasian states: Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan. At present, the protocols specifies only the Republic of Armenia’s de facto border with Turkey,” Melikyan explained, adding that Yerevan should “annul the Kars agreement, and then continue its negotiations with Turkey.”

    Melikyan added also that neither Azerbaijan nor Georgia have acknowledged their borders with Turkey, thus automatically annulling the agreement. As a result, Nakhichevan, which was given to Azerbaijan by the Kars treaty, legally does not belong to Azerbaijan.

    According to Melikyan, Armenia will find itself at an unfavorable position vis-à-vis Turkey if it signs the protocols. “I don’t want such fate to befall our country,” he said, adding that Armenia will be at the mercy of the Turks if the Kars treaty is indirectly ratified through the protocols. “We have to clarify our relations with Turkey.”


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  • AlphaPapa
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    Originally posted by Federate View Post
    Azerbaijan panicky about Armenian-Turkish reconciliation



    The signing of the Armenian-Turkish Protocols in Zurich provoked Azerbaijan’s immediate reaction. We will hardly exaggerate if we call this reaction confusion or, to be precise, a panic.

    Azerbaijani Parliament MP Gudret Hasanguliyev called Turkey’s step a betrayal of Azerbaijan, pointing out the step was “imposed on Turkey by the West”.

    “Azerbaijan is cornered and has no way but join the Russia-Belarus union. I think Azerbaijan can defend its territorial integrity within this union only,” MP said. Pointing out the wrong policy of the Turkish authorities, Hasanguliyev proposed reviewing Azerbaijan’s policy towards Turkey: “Azerbaijan sells gas to Turkey at a price three times as low as the world market price. We turned Turkey to an oil and gas transit country.”

    A 11-member group of Azerbaijani MPs will leave for Ankara October 13, the Azerbaijani APA news agency reports. They intend to meet with both Turkish officials and oppositionists and express their concern over the Protocols signed on Oct 10.

    Azerbaijani political analysts also commented on the recent developments. Vafa Guluzade, seeing a U.S. scenario in the latest developments, calls for working out a new competent policy.

    http://news.am/en/news/6376.html
    Don't believe everything you hear, and only half of what you see. The Azeri's (top leadership) know more about the protocols than our very own s sarkisyan. Any move by Turkey is a move for Azerbaijan...always will be. Anyone who trusts a racist Turkish government, such as what they've had for 100 years now, is a fool. Anyone who is willing to go against the greater Armenian peoples wishes, to appease / give in to the same government is not caring about our future one bit.

    Anyone else notice how whenever a foreign leader comes to Armenia or the Armenian president goes to a foreign event/meeting, the Armenian President has a visit to Moscow the next week?


    Who's your daddy, serzh?

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  • Kiffer
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    I shall visit your website. May I write in French or not ?

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  • Anoush
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    Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
    The URL contained a malformed video ID.
    I retyped it and it's working now.

    I'll retype it again.

    Hovhannes Shirazi "Hayots Tantyagane"

    Խոսում են Հովհաննես Շիրազի,գլուխգործոց "Հայոց Դանթեականի" մասին
    Last edited by Anoush; 10-12-2009, 06:33 PM.

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  • Haykakan
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    Originally posted by Anoush View Post
    Hovhannes Shirazi "Hayots Tantyagane"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI0vd...eature=related
    The URL contained a malformed video ID.

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  • Armanen
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    Originally posted by jgk3 View Post
    In terms of national security, it is a definite loss for Armenia, giving up its most strategic positions for keeping Azeris from invading Artsakh and Syunik.

    At this point I also think that. Which is why I said 'and doesn't endanger the people of Armenia and Artsakh'.

    This is something official Yerevan will have to consider very deeply and stress to the great powers the dangers of forcing Armenia to give up these lands without clear and definite measures that will ensure the safety and security of Armenia and Artsakh.

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  • Anoush
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    Hovhannes Shirazi "Hayots Tantyagane"

    Խոսում են Հովհաննես Շիրազի,գլուխգործոց "Հայոց Դանթեականի" մասին
    Last edited by Anoush; 10-12-2009, 06:02 PM.

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