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  • #921
    Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

    I think polarization has been a big problem between the diaspora and Armenia for a long time now. This is another reason why i so strongly reccomend that the diasporans go to Armenia and understand their country and people better so we can talk in a more unicen voice. While the diaspora is more concerned about justice for past events, the people in Armenia are more concerned about improving the lives of their childeren. Many times the attainment of these two goals means contradictory actions are needed and this is not good for our country. No one will get justice while Armenia is a weak state so if you want justice you start by building a strong state which is impossible to do under isolation. Open borders are a part of building a stronger state. We do have to keep in mind that it is the turck we are dealing with and we must never forget what they have done to us but even the most bitter of enemies will find ways to work togather if it benefits them both.
    Hayastan or Bust.

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    • #922
      Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

      Originally posted by Federate View Post
      Why is President Serge Sarsgyan accepting telephone calls from a foreign minister? He should be demanding to be talking to an equal ranked leader, Barack Obama. Hillary can talk to Edward.
      Federate

      In order to arrange the conditions of this unconditional relations with Turkey you need to speak to the president.
      As long as nobody else is listening in it can be classified as unconditional !!
      Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
      Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
      Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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      • #923
        Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

        Originally posted by Federate View Post
        What is this insult? Why is President Serge Sarsgyan accepting telephone calls from a foreign minister? He should be demanding to be talking to an equal ranked leader, Barack Obama. Hillary can talk to Edward.
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        Serzh Sargsyan and Hillary Clinton discussed RA-Turkish relations
        21.09.2009 12:51 GMT+04:00

        /PanARMENIAN.Net/ RA President Serzh Sargsyan had a telephone conversation with US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. The conversation focused on current stage of RA-Turkish rapprochement, RA President’s press service reported.

        http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=36642
        Barack is too busy following Kanye West's career... the jackass. I'm not so sure Barack is a step up from Hillary... just like any American corporation, the higher up the ladder you go, the more incompetent and clueless management becomes.
        "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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        • #924
          Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

          Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
          Barack is too busy following Kanye West's career... the jackass. I'm not so sure Barack is a step up from Hillary... just like any American corporation, the higher up the ladder you go, the more incompetent and clueless management becomes.
          Not that i am a Obama fan or anything (eventhough i did vote for him), but he has his hands full fighting the insurance lobby at home for now and all nations use their secretaries to deal with other heads of states, this is niether new nor insulting. As for managewment your statement is a common misconception, the entire philosophy of the corporation flows downward the chain of command, the impression you describe is due to the fact that it is impossible for lets say a ceo to manage every detail by him or herself.
          Hayastan or Bust.

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          • #925
            Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

            Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
            Not that i am a Obama fan or anything (eventhough i did vote for him), but he has his hands full fighting the insurance lobby at home for now and all nations use their secretaries to deal with other heads of states, this is niether new nor insulting. As for managewment your statement is a common misconception, the entire philosophy of the corporation flows downward the chain of command, the impression you describe is due to the fact that it is impossible for lets say a ceo to manage every detail by him or herself.
            I didn't mean to pick on Obama, I have come to find that's just the way things work. The president like the CEO of a company is the last one to know about what is going on. He isn't a dictator, he is forced to make decisions on the information he is given. In a corporation there are board members and share holders that have more say into what goes on in the company than the CEO. Most of the time, the CEO like the president is just a yes man.
            "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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            • #926
              Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

              Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
              I didn't mean to pick on Obama, I have come to find that's just the way things work. The president like the CEO of a company is the last one to know about what is going on. He isn't a dictator, he is forced to make decisions on the information he is given. In a corporation there are board members and share holders that have more say into what goes on in the company than the CEO. Most of the time, the CEO like the president is just a yes man.
              Nah bro this is one title that people realy do want because it is raw power! The ceo is not a yes man(unless it is GM we are talking about). The ceo makes the and oks the company strategy, policy, pfilosophy... No one pays millions of dollars to a yes man (unless its GM). If you have a yes man as your ceo you end up like GM. Ford has a good CEO and that is what most companies want (unless your GM).
              Hayastan or Bust.

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              • #927
                Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

                Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
                Nah bro this is one title that people realy do want because it is raw power! The ceo is not a yes man(unless it is GM we are talking about). The ceo makes the and oks the company strategy, policy, pfilosophy... No one pays millions of dollars to a yes man (unless its GM). If you have a yes man as your ceo you end up like GM. Ford has a good CEO and that is what most companies want (unless your GM).
                GM by its sheer size is bigger than the U.S. government... probably only trailing behind the U.S. industrial military complex. Once something gets so big, it's damn near impossible to control. Ford's CEO knows how to cut costs, but I think he's still in over his head. There is so much red tape in that company that it's too damn hard to turn a profit. Henry Ford never wanted a union. What is saving their butt is Ford of Europe. Ford is pretty well developed in Turkey as well.
                "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                • #928
                  Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

                  Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                  GM by its sheer size is bigger than the U.S. government... probably only trailing behind the U.S. industrial military complex. Once something gets so big, it's damn near impossible to control. Ford's CEO knows how to cut costs, but I think he's still in over his head. There is so much red tape in that company that it's too damn hard to turn a profit. Henry Ford never wanted a union. What is saving their butt is Ford of Europe. Ford is pretty well developed in Turkey as well.
                  The ceo for ford is a forward looking man, he didnt just cut costs, he did it at the right time, and he reactivated plants at the right time also. Ford has reopened big plants to fill in the void left by gm and chrysler and is taking their market share. Gm had a bunch of yes men but ford is different, i just wish i had money to buy its stock when it was so low caus i knew it was gona go way up. I think we are drifting off topic here though.
                  Hayastan or Bust.

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                  • #929
                    Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

                    Serzh Sargsyan: No 100% guarantee for RA-Turkish rapprochement to succeed
                    21.09.2009 12:56 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail

                    /PanARMENIAN.Net/ “Yerevan’s initiative to invite Turkish president to Armenia and start negotiations for establishment of diplomatic relation and opening borders with Turkey is not a pre-planned program but an attempt to create an acceptable atmosphere, enabling a dialogue between neighboring countries,” RA President Serzh Sargsyan said in an interview with Vesti TV channel.

                    “In the past, there were some unsuccessful attempts at normalizing relations both on Turkey’s and Armenia’s side. Even now there’s no 100% guarantee for RA-Turkish rapprochement to succeed,” the President stated. According to Serzh Sargsyan, both in Armenia and Turkey there are some forces wishing to wreck the process. “Some third parties also have such forces. Yet, as opposed to previous attempts at rapprochement, current one is based on openness and publicity,” he emphasized.

                    There’s a lot of mistrust and enmity between Armenian and Turkish societies, resulting from Armenian Genocide in Ottoman Empire. Normalization of ties requires political will of RA and Turkish authorities, as well as people's involvement in the process.

                    Serzh Sargsyan reminded that by the initial agreement between Yerevan and Ankara, no preconditions should have been set.
                    “I believe, Armenian Genocide recognition can’t be a precondition for RA-Turkish rapprochement. Otherwise, I wouldn't have started the process. Should negotiations be successful, leading to establishment of relations and opening of borders, we'll gain more support. If RA and Turkey fail to agree, more criticism will follow. Still, whatever I do, I do it with assurance, working in accord with my team,” RA President stated.


                    Should Armenian-Turkish dialogue fail because of Baku, the world will appraise the fact
                    21.09.2009 13:31 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail

                    /PanARMENIAN.Net/ In perspective, not only RA and Turkey, but also Azerbaijan will benefit from RA-Turkish rapprochement, RA President Serzh Sargsyan said in an interview with Vesti TV channel. “Turks and Azeris keep repeating they are one nation living in different countries. I do not argue, but should Armenian-Turkish dialogue fail because of Baku, international community has to give appraisal to the fact,” he emphasized.

                    According to Serzh Sargsyan, by expressing a wish to see progress in NKR issue resolution, Turkey intends for Armenia to make unilateral concessions. Linking RA-Turkish dialogue with NKR issue spells no quick solutions to either of the problem, he added.

                    “Alternative communications, alternative roads are a must to any country, especially to Armenia, as a land locked state, located in unstable region, as proved by August 2008 events. But more is at stake here. I mean, the return of our region to natural international coordinate system,” Serzh Sargsyan stated.



                    the tone of the news is changing again, a while ago nothing could go wrong and now this hmmm....

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                    • #930
                      Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

                      Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
                      the tone of the news is changing again, a while ago nothing could go wrong and now this hmmm....
                      This sounds more like what I thought should be happening....
                      "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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