Elections in Armenia

[arakeretzig]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Mher djan,

I am replying to the part I have bolded above.
You can hear me talk against Serj all day, but, at the end of the day I would have voted for Serj because I believe he is much better than any of the clowns like Raffi or Barouyr. A lot of people that I know in Armenia have been talking against Serj for years, but I know they voted for him because they don't trust the others at all.

most of the people i know in yerevan have no idea what Serj is offering to be a president again. What has he done lately to make him better than Raffi and company? If your definition of "better than clowns like Raffi or Barouyr" is continuing his same policy, then I guess you're right.
Unfortunately, I don't see how Armenia can have a democratic system and better salaries when oligarchy is so deeply infested and the "me me me" attitude of many armenians in the country. The problem is much bigger than choosing Raffi or Serj, because neither of them can't do much about it. You'd have to change the whole system IMHO.

[londontsi]

Re: Elections in Armenia

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This was not a football match where you can argue which side was better and who should have won always with your ( accepted) bias.

These elections were all about democracy and the will of the people.

What matters is fair, unbiased and transparent elections.


If you think Serj would make a better President then you vote for him.

You do not indulge in bribery, voter list manipulation, coercion etc. nor do you approve of fraudulent activity.

Election fraud is a criminal offence.
Those operators should be identified and punished irrespective on whose behalf they were acting.
When I say punishment I mean punishment.
My personal evaluation would be 3 - 5 years incarceration.
The reason being they are playing around with the stability of the country.

The protests in Freedom square were not meant to be for moral support to the loosing candidate.
THEY WERE FOR FRAUDULENT ELECTIONS.

One of the suggestions of the "loosing" candidate is to punish all those who participated in the irregularities.

I shuddered at one of the accusations that an Army Unit Commander had organised double voting for his men.

If Serj believes that the law is above everybody then why does he not agree to setup a criminal investigation unit to identify and prosecute the culprits.

I am not making this up but it is something which apparently will satisfy the "loosing" candidate.

It will also establish a precedent for healthy elections in the future.


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[Artashes]

Re: Elections in Armenia

most of the people i know in yerevan have no idea what Serj is offering to be a president again. What has he done lately to make him better than Raffi and company? If your definition of "better than clowns like Raffi or Barouyr" is continuing his same policy, then I guess you're right.
Unfortunately, I don't see how Armenia can have a democratic system and better salaries when oligarchy is so deeply infested and the "me me me" attitude of many armenians in the country. The problem is much bigger than choosing Raffi or Serj, because neither of them can't do much about it. You'd have to change the whole system IMHO.

You ask --- what has our President done to make him better than Raffi ?
Answer --- He hasn't become an American stooge .
20 yrs of a new republic and in his one term he's accomplished more than all the others , don't you think ?
I think the politicle tight rope he is ( and has been ) compelled to walk whilst trying to accomplish all else has actually been done so masterfully as to be stunning !
Pressure from Russia , pressure from the oligarchies , pressure from the west ( super sneaky ) , hybrid turks ( simi hominoids ) , honestly I think there is more to the picture ( far more ) than is apparent .
You say --- you'd have to change the whole system ---
Who is you'd ?
I say --- for starters , let's not put everything on one mans shoulders ( Serj ) , but rather say --- what can I do , what can we as a diaspora do for our people !!!
Unless I'm mistaken , there is more dollars in the diaspora than the entire HAY economy !!!
Unless I'm mistaken there are more people in the diaspora than the entire population of what's left ( or acknowledged ) of Armenia !!!
If we as a diaspora can't get our shxt together and agree on common ground and actions to take , how can we look to our brethren who are HOLDING the fort down and say --- ?????
Is it only Serj's responsibility ???
An old saying --- United We STAND , divided WE ( Hayastanci's & Diaspora ) FALL .
The question is not only --- what has he done but what have we done .
Artashes

[londontsi]

Re: Elections in Armenia

.... you keep thinking Redneck Raffi .......

Could you please explain or define what is a Redneck ..... Google could not answer ....

Clearly your knowledge is beyond Google ....

[londontsi]

Re: Elections in Armenia

You ask --- what has our President done to make him better than Raffi ?
Answer --- He hasn't become an American stooge .

Artashes

An American stooge President would not survive in Armenia.

We have the precedent of LTP presidency.

Half a dozen people will knock the Presidents door an say “ .....Mr President it is time for you to go ...”.
You have to listen to the wording of the LTP resignation speech to understand what I mean.

Unfortunately I do not have the clip or link to hand. From recollection he used the phrase “... forces which I will not go into ...”

... If you read between the lines that says a lot. Enough said !!

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[londontsi]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Got it.!!

His exact words are ""A demand to resign has been put to me by Government bodies "known" to you""

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You have to listen to the wording of the LTP resignation speech to understand what I mean.

Unfortunately I do not have the clip or link to hand. From recollection he used the phrase “... forces which I will not go into ...”

... If you read between the lines that says a lot. Enough said !!

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[Haykakan]

Re: Elections in Armenia

red-necked-narrow minded, prejudiced, or reactionary: a redneck attitude. Synonyms: biased, narrow-minded, intolerant
Got that off of google so not sure why you cant find it. As for fair elections they do not exist anywhere. Just ask Al Gore. Here is another term you shouldlearn about since it is commonly used in the west to rig elections-gerrymandering-dont worry ill help you with a definition off google to
Gerrymandering-In the process of setting electoral districts, gerrymandering is a practice that attempts to establish a political advantage for a particular party or group by manipulating district boundaries to create partisan advantaged districts. The resulting district is known as a gerrymander (/ˈɡɛrimændər/, alt. /ˈdʒɛriˌmændər/); however, that word can also refer to the process. When used to allege that a given party is gaining disproportionate power, the term gerrymandering has negative connotations.

Could you please explain or define what is a Redneck ..... Google could not answer ....

Clearly your knowledge is beyond Google ....

[londontsi]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Thats a lie azeris r spreading, the Czechs did not accept that lie
http://voskanapat.info/?p=984

http://www.1tv.am/en/22-02-13---Interview

[Artashes]

Re: Elections in Armenia

An American stooge President would not survive in Armenia.

We have the precedent of LTP presidency.

Half a dozen people will knock the Presidents door an say “ .....Mr President it is time for you to go ...”.
You have to listen to the wording of the LTP resignation speech to understand what I mean.

Unfortunately I do not have the clip or link to hand. From recollection he used the phrase “... forces which I will not go into ...”

... If you read between the lines that says a lot. Enough said !!

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Ok, I got the message --- you disagree .
Now , did you get my message , is there anything we CAN agree on ?
Enough said , or do I have to keep repeating myself ?
Artashes

[gegev]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Raffi Hhovhannisyan's meetings with thousands of protesters online:

http://www.azatutyun.am/media/videotube/16.html