Elections in Armenia

[Virgil]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

To be honest I am not so surprised by the number of the idiots that we have on the streets of Yerevan supporting Levon. Each nation has its share of idiots. Look at USA, who would think that moron like Bush would be elected twice. In my opinion, there are tree groups in Armenia that support LTP:

1. Some Hayastantsiner that hate Kharabakhtsiner. This group is simply jealous. And if Serzh and Robert were Aparantsi (or some other “tsi”), they would hate Aparantsiner. Unfortunately there are many low lives like this in Armenian.

2. Corrupt loosers that were in the clans of the LTP, Vano SIradeghyan and some others in power during LTP era. This people kept Armenia in poverty while they were making a fortune at expense of poor people. This is a large and very dangerous group. There are many of them (former nakharars, patgamavors, varchutyan peter …) and they are supported by their relatives, friends, bodyguard and other associates who depended on them.

3. Simply idiots that have short memory. They forgot how they were getting two hours of electricity a day, or waiting in the line for 5-6 hours to get the small bread, or were looking where to find something to burn to get worm for few hours a day. They forgot how their greedy government was keeping them cold, sick and hungry, so they would be as weak as possible to worry about how stay a live and not bother government while it was getting reach. I can’t believe that these idiots forgot the Levon’s New Years speech in mid 90s. He said: jhogovurd es gitem vor ais tari shat vat er, baits myus tari aveli vat petke lini. Ete sovats lineq ev dram chunenak vor hats arneq, dimek dzer harevannerin kam mek urishin vor partk aneq. Is this something that you can here from your president and go back to support him???? I know corruption exists now in Armenia, and it will not going to be close to Western standards very soon, bayts amen inchin chap ev sahman uni. Levon@ iren shunery het voch chap uner voch el sahman. And please, if you are representative of this group in this forum, don’t say that this all happened because of war. War was a factor, however people were kept in miserable condition intentionally to not raise the voice. And finally they forgot the most important factor: the treachery.

I personally liked Vahan to be the president. I am not Dashnak or member of any party. I liked him because of his ideas, patriotism and intellect. I followed all the candidates very closely during the campaign, and in my opinion, we would be better off with him. Serzh was my second favorite because I know that he will continue Robert’s policies, and it is obvious that Bob was on the right path and republic is save and blooming without being sold to the Turks.

Well said, just believe the opposite of what the BBC prints. It is very funny how the Armenian-American media, the BBC, and the idiots in Yerevan all are accusing Serge of corruption. I find it very funny and anyone that thinks it is a conincidence, just look at Georgia, they will kick out Serge, put in a western puppet, sell out our interests to Turks, and next thing you know, Yerevan is the next Bangkok.

[Fedayeen]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JD4NWEts0ro

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bCGfAX6rnNc

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PiHtOze1yCY

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0ywiKAmSQUE

Sorry people, we have a long road ahead of us.

[Fedayeen]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

To be honest I am not so surprised by the number of the idiots that we have on the streets of Yerevan supporting Levon. Each nation has its share of idiots. Look at USA, who would think that moron like Bush would be elected twice. In my opinion, there are tree groups in Armenia that support LTP:

1. Some Hayastantsiner that hate Kharabakhtsiner. This group is simply jealous. And if Serzh and Robert were Aparantsi (or some other “tsi”), they would hate Aparantsiner. Unfortunately there are many low lives like this in Armenian.

2. Corrupt loosers that were in the clans of the LTP, Vano SIradeghyan and some others in power during LTP era. This people kept Armenia in poverty while they were making a fortune at expense of poor people. This is a large and very dangerous group. There are many of them (former nakharars, patgamavors, varchutyan peter …) and they are supported by their relatives, friends, bodyguard and other associates who depended on them.

3. Simply idiots that have short memory. They forgot how they were getting two hours of electricity a day, or waiting in the line for 5-6 hours to get the small bread, or were looking where to find something to burn to get worm for few hours a day. They forgot how their greedy government was keeping them cold, sick and hungry, so they would be as weak as possible to worry about how stay a live and not bother government while it was getting reach. I can’t believe that these idiots forgot the Levon’s New Years speech in mid 90s. He said: jhogovurd es gitem vor ais tari shat vat er, baits myus tari aveli vat petke lini. Ete sovats lineq ev dram chunenak vor hats arneq, dimek dzer harevannerin kam mek urishin vor partk aneq. Is this something that you can here from your president and go back to support him???? I know corruption exists now in Armenia, and it will not going to be close to Western standards very soon, bayts amen inchin chap ev sahman uni. Levon@ iren shunery het voch chap uner voch el sahman. And please, if you are representative of this group in this forum, don’t say that this all happened because of war. War was a factor, however people were kept in miserable condition intentionally to not raise the voice. And finally they forgot the most important factor: the treachery.

I personally liked Vahan to be the president. I am not Dashnak or member of any party. I liked him because of his ideas, patriotism and intellect. I followed all the candidates very closely during the campaign, and in my opinion, we would be better off with him. Serzh was my second favorite because I know that he will continue Robert’s policies, and it is obvious that Bob was on the right path and republic is save and blooming without being sold to the Turks.

You look at those people as idiots and i look at you as another idiot. Continue like this and we might get somewhere.

Ahh good old "group" of people. The same concept that defines us and always works against us, Armenian people. In Armenia it was axbar, texatsi and xarbaxtsi. Here its berutahay, parskahay, and hayastantsi. When we us people gonna learn to move forward, to go to the next level, stop seeing each other as part of different group, rather work together as one.

Your #3 pargraph, i am just curious were you in Armenian at the time? Because it sounds like you been living under a giant rock. And would it really matter much if instead leveon was petros as presidient at the time?

[Artsakh]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Artsakh, umm, I don't think what I said discounts that Yerevantsis would fight to defend Karabakh again. However, I don't think some of those would have fought if they knew ahead of time that NKR would declare its independence.

And, you can understand how some of those same people - a minority nonetheless - would be offended by a leader from outside the borders of Armenia especially as NKR is being represented as an independent nation to the whole world. Just like there are those in Karabagh that have lived there their whole lives and know nothing else, the same can be said of some in Armenia.

Freaky,

I think you are misunderstaning some things. Karabakh as an "independent state" is only politics. The Armenians of karabakh do not regard themselves as a seperate state. They are armenians, and naturally, they see karabakh as a part of armenia. That's what the flag of karabakh symbolizes--ultimate goal is reunification with armenia; it is physically united, now remains the political solution.

Nagorno Karabakh declared its independence from the Soviet Union and from the Azerbaijan, NOT from Armenia.

Yes, kocharyand and serjik are from karabakh. But the fact that they're from karabakh is NOT the reason why they are disliked by a good majority of the Armenian population. The reason that they are disliked is because they are incompetent baffoons. Serje is a chronic gambler who gambles the peoples money in Monte Carlo. Serjes brother- a former bus-drived turned multi-millionaire-owns property in California worth 12 million dollars. I would not like to continue, as i know turks may be reading this and i don't want to put a smile on their face.

Seyran Ohanian is also a native of Karabakh, and, reportedly, is holding negotions with Levon ter pedrosyan as we speak. Prominent veterans of karabakh's liberation have also endorsed ter pedrosyan. Therefore, this is not a Karabakhsi-Hayastancy issue, as some trouble makers are trying to make it seem like, its all about getting rid of a corrupt regime-a regime where 'YEREVANTSIS" also hold high ranks and offices- and not an issue of them being karabakhsis.

[Virgil]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

You look at those people as idiots and i look at you as another idiot. Continue like this and we might get somewhere.

Ahh good old "group" of people. The same concept that defines us and always works against us, Armenian people. In Armenia it was axbar, texatsi and xarbaxtsi. Here its berutahay, parskahay, and hayastantsi. When we us people gonna learn to move forward, to go to the next level, stop seeing each other as part of different group, rather work together as one.

Your #3 pargraph, i am just curious were you in Armenian at the time? Because it sounds like you been living under a giant rock. And would it really matter much if instead leveon was petros as presidient at the time?

WTF is your problem? This has nothing to do with division, the sad fact is your LTP is a sell out and you, essentially, want to put this sell out on the throne. Really read between the lines, I am going to restate my position, we know corruption exists, this is obvious, it exists everywhere, Armenia and in the western world. The problem is, in Armenia it is more primative, but in the western world, it is more sophisticated. The reality is that under a democracy, corruption does exist, whether you want to believe it or not, a corporation championing for the "will of people" when in fact there exists a obvious conflict of interest, really, is a form of corruption. When you have a media mogul like David Geffen backing Obama, then yes, corruption still exists, get that through your head, Armenia is no different.

Second of all, I am 100% sure American and British intelligence has agents in the media and in the Armenian government or else the BBC would not be reported on the Armenian elections, really, do a giggle test, why the hell would the BBC report on Armenia? A tiny landlocked country with 3 million residents, is this logically sound when in fact it refuses to do a spread on the genocide and in addition, it is VERY pro Turkey as a secular democracy. I don't know, its all bullxxxx, everything they are reporting, you can not trust any source outside Armenia and even in Armenia, unless you see it, then you judge or else there is no definite way of "convincing anyone", well, not me, I know better.

You need to connect the dots, LTP or Serge, same garbage different leader, one salutes the west and the other the east, the question then because who do you want your people working for? The Americans and Europeans that are backed by corporate interests that back Turkey as a corrodor for energy or Russia, the direct rival to Turkey and Iran? Any rational person would choose the Russian or else siding with European and the United States will only bring more problems. At this point, the best thing to do is to maintain the status quo, you do not want to be a pawn in this game of chess between the bigger powers, be content and wait it out, democracy will prevail, it has to, the model of democracy will win out and Armenia will be a succesful state, but in order for that to occur you need people living there and you need to psychologically give them hope. Markets and democracy, it is a question of perception.

Lasty, LTP is as corrupt as Bobby and Serge, don't tell me otherwise, he only blames the Karabagh Armenians in order to cover the corruption up. Understand this absolute of politics, the first leader of a nation sets the tone for future leaders. If he is humble, brave, smart, and selfless then future leaders will also follow suit, but LTP was not these things, LTP was a corrupt and therefore, the politicians just followed suit. The army in Karabagh, like I mentioned earlier, did not have running water, while they were fighting at the front, LTP was funneling out assets, this is the truth and I hope I did not break your heart, live with it and move on.

[AR MENIA]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

WTF is your problem? This has nothing to do with division, the sad fact is your LTP is a sell out and you, essentially, want to put this sell out on the throne. Really read between the lines, I am going to restate my position, we know corruption exists, this is obvious, it exists everywhere, Armenia and in the western world. The problem is, in Armenia it is more primative, but in the western world, it is more sophisticated. The reality is that under a democracy, corruption does exist, whether you want to believe it or not, a corporation championing for the "will of people" when in fact there exists a obvious conflict of interest, really, is a form of corruption. When you have a media mogul like David Geffen backing Obama, then yes, corruption still exists, get that through your head, Armenia is no different.

Second of all, I am 100% sure American and British intelligence has agents in the media and in the Armenian government or else the BBC would not be reported on the Armenian elections, really, do a giggle test, why the hell would the BBC report on Armenia? A tiny landlocked country with 3 million residents, is this logically sound when in fact it refuses to do a spread on the genocide and in addition, it is VERY pro Turkey as a secular democracy. I don't know, its all bullxxxx, everything they are reporting, you can not trust any source outside Armenia and even in Armenia, unless you see it, then you judge or else there is no definite way of "convincing anyone", well, not me, I know better.

You need to connect the dots, LTP or Serge, same garbage different leader, one salutes the west and the other the east, the question then because who do you want your people working for? The Americans and Europeans that are backed by corporate interests that back Turkey as a corrodor for energy or Russia, the direct rival to Turkey and Iran? Any rational person would choose the Russian or else siding with European and the United States will only bring more problems. At this point, the best thing to do is to maintain the status quo, you do not want to be a pawn in this game of chess between the bigger powers, be content and wait it out, democracy will prevail, it has to, the model of democracy will win out and Armenia will be a succesful state, but in order for that to occur you need people living there and you need to psychologically give them hope. Markets and democracy, it is a question of perception.

Lasty, LTP is as corrupt as Bobby and Serge, don't tell me otherwise, he only blames the Karabagh Armenians in order to cover the corruption up. Understand this absolute of politics, the first leader of a nation sets the tone for future leaders. If he is humble, brave, smart, and selfless then future leaders will also follow suit, but LTP was not these things, LTP was a corrupt and therefore, the politicians just followed suit. The army in Karabagh, like I mentioned earlier, did not have running water, while they were fighting at the front, LTP was funneling out assets, this is the truth and I hope I did not break your heart, live with it and move on.

Very well said Virgil! Some here still do not understand that politics is one great game and it's essentially played the same way everywhere, just that in some places the intracacies are much deeper.

As for levi, he is a zionist tool, his own son spends more time in israel then Armenia. But I do not see the levin supporters here bringing up this fact or the many other pro turk/zionist positions that petrostein holds.

[AR MENIA]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Seyran Ohanian is also a native of Karabakh, and, reportedly, is holding negotions with Levon ter pedrosyan as we speak. Prominent veterans of karabakh's liberation have also endorsed ter pedrosyan. Therefore, this is not a Karabakhsi-Hayastancy issue, as some trouble makers are trying to make it seem like, its all about getting rid of a corrupt regime-a regime where 'YEREVANTSIS" also hold high ranks and offices- and not an issue of them being karabakhsis.

That is bs and was confirmed earlier today.


Opposition statement on support of Deputy Defense Minister doesn’t correspond to truth


/PanARMENIAN.Net/ The Armenian Defense Ministry refuted Levon Ter-Petrosyan’s statement that the opposition gained support of Manvel Grigoryan and Gagik Melkonyan. Defense Minister’s spokesman, col Seyran Shahsuvaryan said that opposition’s statements do not correspond to the truth.

During today’s rally, Levon Ter-Petrosyan said that RA Deputy Defense Minister, general Manvel Grigoryan and his assistant Gagik Melkonyan joined the opposition.

“At the moment we are holding talks with General Staff Chief Seyran Ohanyan. I am convinced that the army will join Grigoryan and Melkonyan,” Ter-Petrosyan said.

http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=24996

[KrazyLB]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

shame on you Mr. Artsakh.

Yerp vor do dartsar Hayastani qaghaqatsi, ayn jamanak do iravunk kunenas xoselu "mer Yerkri" masin, yeghav? Minchev ayn, do parzapes Amerika-Arab es.

As you know, we are western Armenians and the lands occupied by Turks also belong to us. Moreover, the president of RA can make a crucial decision about the destiny of those lands.

On top of that, don't you think that we are connected to Armenia and we care about the country just like any Armenian citizen cares about it?

Yes unem Hayastani Hanrapetutyan anznagir. Amen depqoom, yes Hayastani dznoond-em. Isk dook, dznoondov Arab ek, yev choonek voch mi iravunk xoselu Hayastani anoonits.

shenorhagal em ays khoskit.
Hope it came bcoz of an anger and not bcoz of what you really think coz I will really feel offended by hearing something like this from a fellow Armenian.

[HayotzAmrotz]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

These forum attacks on each other are the perfect example of what is wrong with our people. When are you going to put your emotions aside and think?

Any Armenian whether from Armenia or Diaspora has not only the right to have an opinion but also have the right to live in Armenia, so stop slandering each other because one was born in Armenia and the other was not, or because one has a passport and the other has not. Who cares where an Armenian was born? Who cares what passport he holds? Ask this: Does he regard himself an Armenian? If the answer is “yes” then that’s it – that’s all that matters.

We have to work together to achieve what we are all should be after: The Justice for our Nahataks of the most horrific crime perpetrated in the modern times. The Turks have wiped out half of our nation and stole our lands - instead of fighting the bastards at every front we are getting at each others throats. Wake up to yourselves!

LTP and his backers are absolutely not interested in confronting the Turkish government with regards to the Armenian Genocide, that alone is a reason enough to boycott these morons. Plus, LTP has more criminal clans behind him that you can imagine and to those people, to those clans, the national aspirations are incomprehensible, they just don’t give a damn. The same goes for Levon himself, he is a gutless hater, a hater of everything nationalistic and everything that has to do with Hay Dat and our struggle for justice.

We have elected a president that might be not the ideal one (if there is such thing as an ideal politician) but he is the right one for our nation at this time. So, give the man the benefit of the doubt and a bit of time, and then, and only after that, pass a judgment on his performance as our head of state.

[aray]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

You look at those people as idiots and i look at you as another idiot. Continue like this and we might get somewhere.

So you are confirming here that you are one of them brain dead morons that are on the streets of Yerevan protesting. Why don’t you go there and join the rest of the dumb asses? I bet you’ll have a lot of fun dancing and singing with them. I wish Robert wasn’t too kind and would spoil your dancing/singing party by letting couple of tanks run over idiots like you.

When we us people gonna learn to move forward, to go to the next level, stop seeing each other as part of different group, rather work together as one.

When your kind is eliminated, and I can care less if it’s by tanks or assimilation.

Your #3 pargraph, i am just curious were you in Armenian at the time? Because it sounds like you been living under a giant rock. And would it really matter much if instead leveon was petros as presidient at the time?

You xxxxing piece of xxxx, I was there from beginning until end. Unlike you I felt obligated and I have paid my duties to my homeland. And unlike you, I will do it again if there is a need. Unlike you I enjoy taking my family there every year and will move back sooner than later.