Elections in Armenia

[londontsi]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Serj went along because he knew that the Turks would never hold up their part of the agreement ......

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... and that they would tack on additional preconditions that even the West objected to......then he fcked them with the supreme court ruling.

Interesting twist of events.

We have to remember that the courts ( including the supreme court ) “are” independent. (According to the Armenian Constitution)

This argument falls into the trap that our courts are not independent.

Source of many complaints that our courts are open to manipulation by oligarchs and generally money and influence etc.

Nothing to do with Diaspora crying wolf.

Why did he tour the diaspora and tried to sell the idea.
All could have been done without leaving Yerevan.

[Eddo211]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Came on guys, lets not turn history on its head.

Serj did what he was told by other powers.

The only reason the nation was saved from humiliation was the people would just not accept it.
The nation’s pain and sence of betrayal was so great that they started calling the President a traitor.

If you can see ( remember) the truth, then you can see the correct path.

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Serj went along because he knew that the Turks would never hold up their part of the agreement and that they would tack on additional preconditions that even the West objected to......then he fcked them with the supreme court ruling.
Nothing to do with Diaspora crying wolf.

[Vahram]

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Who raised Raffi ?
The US has clearly shown to favor turk ( mildly putting it ) .
Do you think Raffi might compromise or jeopardize our current relation with Russia ?

You nailed some very good points! First the fact that he was raised on Kosher milk should not be a surprise to anyone, anyone besides Raff Fans that is. He is going to tilt the country to pro Western tilt? A West that abounded Armenia before, a West that is pro toork, a West that can't say the G word!

And what did Raffi do this time? Well for starters he enjoyed a system that has been more transparent, a system that is more fair, fair enough to give him 37 percent of the VOTE! Yet this same god damned idiot single handedly ruined Armenia's image! Had we just excepted the fact that Serj won this would have been a great victory for all of Armenia, even his supporters. We would have had a great base to go forward and try again in another election.

But, after drinking Kosher milk that was not his aim. The aim was to raise hell on the cheap, and that is exactly what he accomplished. To the point that baboons are asking COE to invalidate the Armenian elections! Congrats folks, this is really good going by Raffi!

Kosher milk anyone?

[Artashes]

Re: Elections in Armenia

exactly

@ Mher & Londontsi
Again I tell you , nobody is for the oligarch shame .
Again I tell you of my extreme concern over Raffi .
I admit , all I've learned about about the goings on of my real country I've gathered from this forum .
Please tell me who Raffi's father is and what you know of his politicle outlook .
Who raised Raffi ?
The US has clearly shown to favor turk ( mildly putting it ) .
Do you think Raffi might compromise or jeopardize our current relation with Russia ?
Do you think Raffi might possibly ruffle our current relation with Iran ?
Please , I'm asking sincerely , no other motivation .
These are but two of my concerns .
Art ashes

[Vahram]

Re: Elections in Armenia

People who think Raffi does not have his own circle of oligarchs who support him truly don't know what they are talking about. The thing with Raffi that people still don't understand is that he is a disaster in the making! We can only thank Raffi for taking one step forward and 3 steps back. This is a crying joke as the people who support Raffi still don't see, or want to understand that even the US, Russia are behind Serj.

People who support Raffi only give the Baboon permission to make mockery of Armenian in the COE! Yet these same supporters fail to see any of the failing. They will just have some other venue to argue while ignoring any valid points raised. That is because the failure is too obvious and can't be argued with.

All this while Armenia had the best election so far, an election in witch even Raffi could have at one point credited himself yet he blew it all away. Did such a bad bad job that even the support he had with the West is evaporating faster then his waistline. Oh and BTW what happened with these fake hunger strikes? The man is fatter now then before his hunger strike. He must be eating Entenmann's kosher cookies in his tent...LOL

And that is "Exactly" The points that some of you just don't want to see. Say goodbye to Raffi, as the failed Pakhlava revolution will have to go back to the drawing board. And as you all know the West does not recycle failed people! However lucky for Raffi I hear he has a lifetime supply of cookies for his service to the yahoodi's grand game.

[Mher]

Re: Elections in Armenia

People who support Serj but somehow are against the oligarchs simply do not know what they are talking about !!!
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exactly

[Artashes]

Re: Elections in Armenia

@ Londonsti's above post(s)
You say you can understand concern and ask for sources -- Raffi is the source . He promises everything ! Oh , that's believable . Reminds me of US politicians to a " T ". Where is he coming from -- US !!
You ask -- what skill ?!! --- Strong Russian partner and US ok with that !!! Seeks US support and help and Russia ok with that !!! Deal with Iran and no US backlash !!! Tells Hay youth it's up to them to decide to reclaim land stolen by murder and torture and turk calls to congratulate victory !!!
You don't think Hay has improved and advanced more under his watch than all previous pres ???
You say --- only reason nation was saved was (the) people ... You make it sound like everyone supports Raffi . Do you not think many supported Serj ? You say (they) called him traitor as if it's everyone ??? Do you believe that ? How many is -they - ?
Post # 1431 by Haykakan --- Serj asks Raffi -- do you think you got more votes than me ? Are you saying Raffi's response is different than stated ??
Artashes

[londontsi]

Re: Elections in Armenia

......... The argument is not in support of oligarch , .....
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Artashes

No, the argument here is the peoples choice through fair and honest elections.

I have mentioned before, Serj without oligarch cannot exist.

People who support Serj but somehow are against the oligarchs simply do not know what they are talking about !!!


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[londontsi]

Re: Elections in Armenia

The concern here by many of us is that Raffi is doing what he's told by other powers , and those other powers are every bit as unsavory and worse ( by a wide margine ) .

I can understand that there may be concerns.
Can you inform us the sources that prompt those concerns.

Please do not come up with some abstract statements which are based on low quality electioneering.

The support for Serj is based on skill in dealing with giant powers and progress of a Single term .
We are all seeking the truth ( I hope ) .
Artashes

Skill !!! What skill?

Serj did what he was told by other powers.

The only reason the nation was saved from humiliation was the people would just not accept it.
The nation’s pain and sence of betrayal was so great that they started calling the President a traitor.

[Artashes]

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Came on guys, lets not turn history on its head.

Serj did what he was told by other powers.

The only reason the nation was saved from humiliation was the people would just not accept it.
The nation’s pain and sence of betrayal was so great that they started calling the President a traitor.

If you can see ( remember) the truth, then you can see the correct path.

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The concern here by many of us is that Raffi is doing what he's told by other powers , and those other powers are every bit as unsavory and worse ( by a wide margine ) .
The argument is not in support of oligarch , but rather manipulation from west !!
The support for Serj is based on skill in dealing with giant powers and progress of a Single term .
We are all seeking the truth ( I hope ) .
Artashes