Elections in Armenia

[Vahram]

Re: Elections in Armenia

I refuse to accept your argument that it is the blockade, lack of resources, and threat of war and not the oligarchy that is responsible for the current situation. Armenia could still be an attractive place to live even with those barriers. You just don't want to examine the country's sundry problems and use the blockade and Turkey/Azerbaijan as excuses.

How can someone who refuses to except one set of facts accuse another of making excuses when he did say that he does not find anything better then what is available now? About the sniffing glue part he his spot on, the guys sniffing glue are future Raffi supporters...LOL

If you can be blind enough to refuse to except it then you have to take your licking.

Do you really want to start comparing the behavior of diasporans and many of your compatriots in Los Angeles?

He meant people outside of Armenia, you on the other hand said something nasty about former Armenian citizens. I'm sorry to say but L.A. you guys are lost, all of you! We don't have such stupidity on the East coast thank god, and your comment about cash cow, I have news for you money is being raised all the time. These are simply people refusing to accept reality because their Raffi did not win. So here on the East Cost we still raise money, and Raffi is a laughing stock over here! This includes Tashnags and everyone else in between!

[Artashes]

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Vahram dear,
You forgot to mention climate change!




Why are you unhappy with this flight fate?
I am pretty happy about this one

Concerning the decision to NOT have turdish flights to Yerevan --- hooray ! I also am pretty happy about that .
Artashes

[TomServo]

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"Sniffing glue"? Do you really want to start comparing the behavior of diasporans and many of your compatriots in Los Angeles? You may choose to view the community with "rose-colored glasses" but the reality (like the reality in Armenia) is ugly.

This is what I meant when I said that there needs to be an honest examination of the failure of the postwar diasporan repatriation to Armenia. An Armenian government official (I believe it was the Minister of the Diaspora) apologized a few years back but that's not good enough. The diaspora can't serve as a cash-cow to a country whose inhabitants treat them and their concerns with such indifference (and in some cases, aversion). Fortunately, many diasporans have realized this, hence the increasing support for people like Hovannisian and Oskanian.

I refuse to accept your argument that it is the blockade, lack of resources, and threat of war and not the oligarchy that is responsible for the current situation. Armenia could still be an attractive place to live even with those barriers. You just don't want to examine the country's sundry problems and use the blockade and Turkey/Azerbaijan as excuses.

[Haykakan]

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This has nothing to do with ideology mr cat! As i said thinking for yourself is good so long as you are thinking rationally but people like Raffi are not advocating rationality-they simply want to replace the present corrupt system with another corrupt system which will put our nation in far more jeapordy because it spits on the very things that allow Armenia to survive. Bell the only thing being discredited are your ideas here-you really want to compare France to Armenia last few decades? Was France involved in a major war where its own existence was threatened lately? Has France been under blockade for the last few decades? Is France as resourceless as Armenia? Is France surrounded by enemies who want to destroy it? Did France endure a devastating earthquake which leveled its second biggest city along with many towns and villages killing thousends and thousends of people and destroying infastructure? And you speak of discrediting others lol. This is what the diaspora refuses to understand-Armenia is not France! So you want the people of Armenia to start worrying about the diaspora for change huh? Sure they should take time out of their lives and instead of finding ways to put food on the table they should start worrying about why the diasporans wear lingerie to church, they should worry about why poor hagopik is sniffing glue as his mom and dad contemplate a divorce. Its the glasses guys im tellin you its those rose collored glasses - they make you think you are playing a mmorpg and you lose yourself in this alternate reality along with your attachment to reality. While many here think Armenia is France-no one in Armenia thinks this to be the case so tell me who is more attached to reality? I have no problem replacing Sargsyan if there is a better candidate for the job and if there was such a person i would gladly support him/her but that person is not Raffi and i will not support anyone with the ideology he brings with him. I did not support LTP and i knew what he would bring to Armenia long before he became president. People leave Armenia because of lack of opportunities which exist because of things like blockade, lack of resources, threat of war..The things that most here complain about are oligarchs and monopolists yet they have far less adverse effects on the economy then the former factors. This is a fact not some made up rose collored mmorpg. Oligarchs, monopolists, monopolistic.. these are all forms of markets that exist in every capitalist system and it is comical to hear people supporting capitalism yet denouncing these market forms. Quit smelling that turkish coffee-i know it smells good but it will kill you in the end.

[bell-the-cat]

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To have substance as a human being you must learn to think for yourself and this is why i have no respect for Raffi and much of the diaspora because they simply serve as mouth pieces for others and have nothing to offer themselves to anyone.

I think we are starting to see how despairing the old guard are becoming. Their ideology is so discredited they have now to resort to cynically mouthing the principles of their opponents. It is deference to power, to positions of hierarchy, to knowing your place, to doing what you are told by your "betters" and accepting what your "betters" give you, that maintains the corrupt like Sargsyan in power. The goal of all who oppose that system, and who want reform and progress, is to get the electorate to become individuals who will "learn to think for yourself".

[bell-the-cat]

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Here a french survey, saying 51% of french 21-35 years, who would like to live in an other country
"Selon une étude Viavoice pour W&Cie, 51% des 25-34 ans aimeraient vivre dans un autre pays."

http://etudiant.lefigaro.fr/les-news...s-exiler-1602/

Have 3.5 million people left France in the last 10 years (the conservative 200,000 figure for those who have left Armenia in the last decade extrapolated up to match the much larger population size of France). Has the population of France dropped by 10 million since the 1980s? If not, the survey is an invalid and pointless comparison.

[KarotheGreat]

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last warning to some people!
Get personal one more time, colour outside the lines one more time and live with the consequences!

[Vrej1915]

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Yes, the creator of this site is telling Armenians to forget about their history.

Oh, it's time to generalize and blame everything on the supposedly bourgeois, Westernizing diasporans/akhpars again? Fun.

I mean, it's not too surprising since the modern republic and its institutions were either created or significantly developed by the Soviet Union, so there are natural ties to Մեծ Ռուսիա.* Most of the people who developed the backwater that was the early Soviet Armenian republic were Armenians from European Russia or Ukraine. Anyway, I just wish that the ROA Armenians cared just a little about the Armenian nation that exists beyond its borders as much as they care and crave the acceptance of the people who affectionately call them Խաչիկ.

* From the Soviet Armenian anthem:
Մեծ Ռուսիան մեզ եղբայրության ձեռք մեկնեց,
Մենք կերտեցինք ամրակուռ նոր պետություն

Well the site smells made in Russia, Stalin era cheap propaganda.
Too much of Russia, kills Russia..... (as anything).

I like Russia, as generally all Armenians.
Yet they need to realize that everything has limits, and time of blind russophilia is getting over, mostly thanks to their actions, not the West.
Contrary to the affirmations on that site, Armenia's military does perfectly understand the kind of shipments they do to Baku...
And fortunately, some in Moskva begin to get the message, of "Enough is Enough".

[TomServo]

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Hmm... Glendale or Moscow?

Armenia: Forty Percent of Gallup Poll Respondents Want Out

Based on personal interviews with 41,072 people throughout 12 former Soviet republics between 2010 and 2012, the survey found that 40 percent of the Armenian respondents would like to move permanently to another country. (The number of respondents was not provided. Online data sets reflected numbers only for 2005 and 2006.)

Moldova, at 32 percent, followed in second place.

By comparison, Armenia's Caucasus neighbors, Georgia and Azerbaijan, were far less inclined to acknowledge their willingness to seek greener grass for good -- a mere 14 percent of the respondents in both countries. Respondents in Caucasus player Russia expressed the same level of wanderlust.

http://www.eurasianet.org/node/66784...medium=twitter

[TomServo]

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Yes, the creator of this site is telling Armenians to forget about their history.

Oh, it's time to generalize and blame everything on the supposedly bourgeois, Westernizing diasporans/akhpars again? Fun.

I mean, it's not too surprising since the modern republic and its institutions were either created or significantly developed by the Soviet Union, so there are natural ties to Մեծ Ռուսիա.* Most of the people who developed the backwater that was the early Soviet Armenian republic were Armenians from European Russia or Ukraine. Anyway, I just wish that the ROA Armenians cared just a little about the Armenian nation that exists beyond its borders as much as they care and crave the acceptance of the people who affectionately call them Խաչիկ.

* From the Soviet Armenian anthem:
Մեծ Ռուսիան մեզ եղբայրության ձեռք մեկնեց,
Մենք կերտեցինք ամրակուռ նոր պետություն