Elections in Armenia

[Vrej1915]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Here a french survey, saying 51% of french 21-35 years, who would like to live in an other country
"Selon une étude Viavoice pour W&Cie, 51% des 25-34 ans aimeraient vivre dans un autre pays."

http://etudiant.lefigaro.fr/les-news/actu/detail/article/une-majorite-de-jeunes-francais-souhaite-s-exiler-1602/

[Haykakan]

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Armenian's blog is spot on about many issues and most importantly this issue. Only the enemy of the armenian people would tell the armenians to forget about history and for this reason i will consider bell the cat indeed an enemy. I have defended his existence here before despite calls by many here to ban him because i believed he contributed to this forum by forcing us to form better arguments but after blurting out the nonsence in his latest post he leaves no doubts about his ill will towards the armenian nation and its people. No we will not forget the past! We will not let our country be destroyed by colorfull brainwashing machines like Raffi who are devoid of substance and human morals. What i find interesting about this forum is that they ban voices of reason yet promote brainwashed, stubborn people incapable of seeing the obvious and learning from those who want to teach them. I understand banning people for being racists or rude or using foul languadge but i never saw Armenian do any of these things while i was here. Perhaps he did do some of these offences before i joined - i do not know- but i do know his writings are right almost every time in assessing Armenia's condition and her needs. The armenian diaspora along with many of the forum members here are a huge disapointment because they fall prey to the glitz and glitter which is intended to destroy us. For those of you who are young i urge you to use that thing between your ears and think before blurting out things like how great capitalism is or how great Raffi is or how great USA or Europe are and how bad Russia is.. I know it is hard - i know you were raised to embrace these things-i know your were told that capitalism and democracy can accompish anything-but try and try hard to look at the world for what it is and not what others have told you what it is. Don't listen to me-dont listen to CNN-dont listen to your uncle -dont listen to Bell- just look around you. The answers are there and they are rather black and white - all you have to do is take off those colorful sunglasses and look at reality for what it realy is. Raffi will not save you because he is based on nothingness.The west will not save you because it considers you an obsticle. Russia and increasingly more China will save you because they need you-but do not forget you need them far more then they need you. This is not belittling my people or our nation-it is looking at reality in a sober way without colorful glasses. Think for yourself-be rational-study history and politics - open your eyes-do not mistake an enemy for a friend nor a friend for an enemy. Perhaps the world is not as you had thought but this does not mean you are stupid or bad- it just means you have to reformulate your conclusions about the world you live in based on the information you gather. I am disapointed in many here and in the diaspora in general because they refuse to either think for themselves or they simply do not care about the armenian nation. When people tell you things you should always ask yourself who is telling me what? What motivations might this person have for telling me what he does tell me? To have substance as a human being you must learn to think for yourself and this is why i have no respect for Raffi and much of the diaspora because they simply serve as mouth pieces for others and have nothing to offer themselves to anyone.

[Vahram]

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The analysis on this blog entry is spot on, and does an excellent job of cutting through the smokescreen hovannisian's handlers have put up around his campaign and addressies the substantive geostrategic issues Armenia faces today

That guy is always spot on, I wish he would write more often. Some guys here should read up more before they speak, they are so lost with geopolitical reality, that talking geostrategic issues is like too much for them. It's the blind leading the blind, note how the points raised are never countered or answered back in a sensible manner. You get a stupid two line statement from someone expressing a flawed opinion on things they have no clue about.

BTW welcome back bro!

[bell-the-cat]

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Raffi shows Putin who's boss.

The analysis on this blog entry is http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.com/...arch-2013.html

That site is the blog of a banned member of this forum, and was around before April 2012 when Sarkis86 joined. Should we conclude that Sarkis86 is that banned member trying to evade his ban?

[bell-the-cat]

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Karo you have many misconseptions about reality and you refuse to learn and see reality for what it is. Have you any information on what % of the population wanted out of Armenia under LTP? How about under Kocharian? How about under the soviet union? The fact is we armenians always believe that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence regardless of the reality of the situation or the circumstances surrounding it. I am also shocked by the fact that you see no connection between the blockade and the economic situation. Yes things are tough in Armenia and the government is very far from perfect but what options do you have to replace it with?The only option seems to be loud mouth Raffi and his circus of inexperienced and inept clowns.I am not against change and i believe far more change needs to be made then most people here but non of that changes the fact that if the present government falls then Raffi and the gang will force themselves in and i see nothing positive about that scenario while plenty of negatives are possible here. I do agree we need changes but not just for the sake of change-we need a meaningful and productive change and if such an option was available i would happily jump all over it. For all his speeches Raffi has yet to utter a single thing that even remotely begins to adress Armenia's problems - all he talks about (much like you and many others here) is how awfull things are. I know that you still believe that things are better in Armenia now then they were during the soviet days and again this is a reflection of your inability to see reality for what it is. The fact is that Armenia has big problems regardless of who is in power. While the present authorities are hardly ideal, mr Raffi and his gang are even worst. I know you do not see it (eventhough i explained to you a number of times) but the situation in Armenia is very much like the situation in you beloved USA where - like Armenia- the people are not offered a good choice and their votes reflect more fear of what the other candidate would do rather the good the guy they voted will do. Change change change kinda reminds me of the Obama campaighn and you should let this example be a good lesson to you because those promising change usually bring the opposite.

Why didn't you also mention what % of the population wanted out of Armenia during Tamerlane's invasions, since that figure too is about as relevant to today as mentioning what % wanted out during Soviet times. The only figure that matters is the 40% who want to leave TODAY, with the knowledge that 200,000 have already left in just the last 5 years.

[Vahram]

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Things are awful and the country's myriad problems need to be discussed and addressed. If anything, I am glad that Hovannisian is insisting that politics and the discussion of all the problems the country is facing be made a public rather than private affair. Of course, Sargsyan doesn't want that, which is why he insists on meeting Hovannisian in private.

LOL, talk about a knee jerk reaction of not much substance...ROTF

Here is some food for thought. The United States Senate has had a closed session 54 times since 1929. That is an average of a closed session every 1.5 years. Mind you the congress elected representatives of the people.

Armenia since independence has had one closed session with a mere idiot Raffi! Send the Western backed stooge home where he can have a JO session with mere idiots just like himself. After all like so many have pointed out the man has no solution to any of the problems. In fact he is creating a show for himself while he makes idiots out of the rest of us. Send the Western Backed idiot home to L.A. Let Raffi run for Mayor of L.A. so Tomservo and people like him can have an honest mayor for a change...LOL

[Sarkis86]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Raffi shows Putin who's boss.

The analysis on this blog entry is spot on, and does an excellent job of cutting through the smokescreen hovannisian's handlers have put up around his campaign and addressies the substantive geostrategic issues Armenia faces today. There's also an excellent collection of articles at the bottom, some of which must be read between the lines.

Highly worth checking out, including the comments section at the bottom.

http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.com/...arch-2013.html

[TomServo]

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Things are awful and the country's myriad problems need to be discussed and addressed. If anything, I am glad that Hovannisian is insisting that politics and the discussion of all the problems the country is facing be made a public rather than private affair. Of course, Sargsyan doesn't want that, which is why he insists on meeting Hovannisian in private.

[Haykakan]

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Karo you have many misconseptions about reality and you refuse to learn and see reality for what it is. Have you any information on what % of the population wanted out of Armenia under LTP? How about under Kocharian? How about under the soviet union? The fact is we armenians always believe that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence regardless of the reality of the situation or the circumstances surrounding it. I am also shocked by the fact that you see no connection between the blockade and the economic situation. Yes things are tough in Armenia and the government is very far from perfect but what options do you have to replace it with?The only option seems to be loud mouth Raffi and his circus of inexperienced and inept clowns.I am not against change and i believe far more change needs to be made then most people here but non of that changes the fact that if the present government falls then Raffi and the gang will force themselves in and i see nothing positive about that scenario while plenty of negatives are possible here. I do agree we need changes but not just for the sake of change-we need a meaningful and productive change and if such an option was available i would happily jump all over it. For all his speeches Raffi has yet to utter a single thing that even remotely begins to adress Armenia's problems - all he talks about (much like you and many others here) is how awfull things are. I know that you still believe that things are better in Armenia now then they were during the soviet days and again this is a reflection of your inability to see reality for what it is. The fact is that Armenia has big problems regardless of who is in power. While the present authorities are hardly ideal, mr Raffi and his gang are even worst. I know you do not see it (eventhough i explained to you a number of times) but the situation in Armenia is very much like the situation in you beloved USA where - like Armenia- the people are not offered a good choice and their votes reflect more fear of what the other candidate would do rather the good the guy they voted will do. Change change change kinda reminds me of the Obama campaighn and you should let this example be a good lesson to you because those promising change usually bring the opposite.

[Vahram]

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What does 40% of Armenians wanting to leave Armenia have anything to do with Turkey or Azerbaijan?

Talk about being blind! The fact of the matter is answered below by your own words.

life in Armenia as expensive as in Western Europe?

You answered you own question, everything has to be flown in, no direct flights to turkey or any other airport is possible without spending huge amounts of money on imports. Having closed borders does not help. Having a simple cookie that you want from Turkey has to go on a land route to Iran and back into Armenia! You know what the price of that cookie is now, or do you need more examples before you open your eyes. Individuals like you are failing to see reality. You are being choked! Yet you want to hand all the blame to the government. Armenia has made great progress despite the conditions it's under and will continue to do so. People like you are blind and are not ones to come up with solutions that are outside the box. People like you are part of the problem, you sit 3 thousand miles away and you do nothing but preach nonsense based on dreams handed to you by the Joo press.

Can you see any bigger national security threat?

How about brining about disorder in the country while the enemies are circling overhead? You can't possibly be this blind to facts! If you are that is sad for you, however being that you are Armenian and somewhat of a preacher your folly will cost us dearly.

You can continue talking about the these Western conspiracy theories

Not a theory it's a fact! Who brought all the Western backed puppets to power in all these revolutions? Who created the revolutions with leaders that simply drove the country down to the ground. Orange revolution, Rose revolution ring a bell? Ukraine is on it's knees, the country is in shambles because of a Western backed revolution put an idiot in charge, what did the Ukrainine people get with a Western backed puppet? The West raped the country, Ukraine can go feck itself because the West got what it wanted! Wake up and look around, not only are you blind but you simply don't know much about the geopolitical games being played. Not only that you dismiss so easily as theories, mind you they are all very well documented facts by now. Stop looking at things in isolation so you can see the bigger game at hand. Go read something to do with geopolitics so you can see how they move the mouse around and keep you guessing while you play their game!

Armenia needs to grow from inside out. Not by having strangers come from distant lands who communicate with odar embassies about every move they make. You are doing wonderful work for the people who want to sink Armenia, this is what you are not getting! You have fixed your eyes on the prize and in the end only soot will remain as your reward.