Elections in Armenia

[Artashes]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Time is the real judge.

Definitely agree on Time Being .
@gegev
In post # 1442 I ask questions . Might you respond to them that I can better understand your words ?
In your above post you say --- always advocating for the powerful etc. Is that what you think myself and others who are against Raffi are doing ? Do you think Raffi's stance toward the tkurds will reflect Armenian values or US/tkurd/zion desires ?
Do you think we should make a deal with tkurks and recognize existing borders and accept a " gee I'm sorry" and just move on ?
I hate the oligarchs but am more fearful of the west's dishonesty and conniving ways .
Artashes

[Hakob]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Are you too ignorant to read that the data in the charts comes from Armenia's own Central Electoral Commission? Or, more likely, you just don't care. Why are you not just honest and say that you care nothing for electoral processes? If they give the result you want by honest means, then that's fine. If you have to commit electoral fraud, that's fine too. Bribes, threats, ballot-box stuffing, all of that is acceptable. And if you have to suspend elections completely in order to remain in power, then that's fine too.

Armenia's Central Electoral Comission veryfied Serj Sargsian as the "winner of fair and democratic election". That's number one. . Who's ignorant? Me or you? Who the hell are you to comment about my honesty or presidential preference? want to talk about electoral fraud or ballot-box stuffing? c'mon. Bring evidence. I am ready to listen.
You have been spilling pus from your mind all over about Armenian elections.
The charts that you refer to, I have read too. But they are just part of overall report from which you chose only the portions that suits you, and continue to drum nonstop, forgetting that majority of Armenia's population knows who to listen and what to listen to. Who's ignorant?
How can you say that I am part of or support any power in Armenia when you don't even know where I live?
Maybe you cannot notice that some people are just tired of self righteous addle drummings by people your kind and tell you to shut up a little and grow up to be just a little above the level against which you try to bring "your thruth" before getting us too bored?

[gegev]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Feb 15,2013

Raffi Hovhannisyan supporters are growing in such an unexpected way, that I first time in the recent elections suspect that Serj Sargsyan is going to become the looser, despite all obstacles they created for the opposition candidates.

By the way Raffi tremendously improved his speech skills in Armenian language and looks much more confident and smart at his TV presentations.

Amazingly this time, as opposed to the elections done before, the most part of supporters are the pensioners and the poor. He promised to double pensions, minimal salary and create 180,000 jobs.

This means that the $25 bribe, to make living for 5 years, doesn't work any more.

Feb 16,2013

I would pick Serj over Raffi any day. Serj has proven over and over again that he is a step or two ahead of other world leaders. Serj has military experience in kharabagh, he has diplomatic experience, he has a proven tract record of domestic reform and using world events to Armenia's advantage. Raffi is the armenian version of Shakasville or another version of LTP. We have seen what happens to nations led by such people and i very much doubt we want the same things to happen in Armenia again. Sure Raffi promises jobs and pensions but what polititions doesn't?

Feb 17,2013

Always advocating for the powerful and corrupt doesn’t harm the advocator by the mighty and at the same time it is a very lucrative business nowadays. Such people are very much appreciated by ...

Time is the real judge.

[Vahram]

Re: Elections in Armenia

If they give the result you want by honest means, then that's fine. If you have to commit electoral fraud, that's fine too. Bribes, threats, ballot-box stuffing, all of that is acceptable. And if you have to suspend elections completely in order to remain in power, then that's fine too.

The problem my dear pet is that you are not interested in helping Armenia! Every angle will be used by people like you for your own deeds! This is not about Fair elections in Armenia, this is about using every little dirty trick in the book to try and finally pull off the Apricot revolution witch they have been trying to do for ever! Look at the Arab spring, look at all the fruit and vegi revolutions we have had except the one little tinny republic that they could not pull this off in. We have now resorted to conspiracy theories in a last desperate attempt to continue this nonsense. While the Armenian Dram just after the election was gaining against the dollar now it has started to fall badly. This Raffi thing is costing us dearly on every front that we have improved since the last election, and sadly you are not the only one mixing it up, we have our own doing it too without understanding what they are doing. At least you have an agenda, so you are excused, what I can't do is put on a blind fold to our own. Not while I know the game at hand, in the end this has nothing to do about the election, not from a man who in the last election only got 6 percent of the vote. Perhaps the ballots have been stuffed, under the supervision of the Western spies pretending to be NGO's not the first time they have done this, and stuff the boxes in favor of Raffi! If we are going to start using theories one can't overlook this because it goes against your agenda! Just another theory ole boy, one is as good as another until it is disproved! So check!

Armenia in the Western press plastered all over with the glee by the Joo. Armenian currency falling, watching mere idiot hippies go on and on about this election while they are asleep and have taken their eyes off the ball. Enjoy the show, because this is all a fecking game!

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Opposition had their chance in suprime court, in front of media and whole country, and did not bring any evidence but those gossips to change anybody's conviction that all those "charts and reports" are nothing but see-saws. I don't care for any chart if they can not be backed by real facts.
Even Raffi himself admitted to president that he did not win. This words Raffi has not disputed yet. Hell, even anybody that mentions those charts has not given any real evidence to back them up.
There were over 6000 observers, who signed under election polling papers, majority non ruling party. Were is the real undisputable evidence of tampering?
Long before and up to last minute all the polls, even by gallup, predicted Serj's win.
As far as I am concerned, Serj Sargsian has won and all official international figures have accepted and congratulated him.

Anybody continuing with see-saws is doing something like below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPNYYr4aLaM

Are you too ignorant to read that the data in the charts comes from Armenia's own Central Electoral Commission? Or, more likely, you just don't care. Why are you not just honest and say that you care nothing for electoral processes? If they give the result you want by honest means, then that's fine. If you have to commit electoral fraud, that's fine too. Bribes, threats, ballot-box stuffing, all of that is acceptable. And if you have to suspend elections completely in order to remain in power, then that's fine too.

[Hakob]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Those figures, unless I am reading the charts wrongly, are comparing the polling station results of all electoral districts in all of Armenia against the polling station results of all electoral districts in all of Armenia that had independent observers present at those polling stations (169 stations in total). On the pages linked to below the overall data, the figures are further broken down into districts: Yerevan (36 stations with observers), Shirak (81) , Lori (34), Tavish (8), and so on. Poling stations without observers present to check that the electoral process was proceeding without interference all showed a marked increase in the number of votes cast for Sargsyan and a larger percentage of the electorate voting at those stations. The only credible explanation for this is a tampering with the electoral process to inflate the votes cast for Sargsyan.

Opposition had their chance in suprime court, in front of media and whole country, and did not bring any evidence but those gossips to change anybody's conviction that all those "charts and reports" are nothing but see-saws. I don't care for any chart if they can not be backed by real facts.
Even Raffi himself admitted to president that he did not win. This words Raffi has not disputed yet. Hell, even anybody that mentions those charts has not given any real evidence to back them up.
There were over 6000 observers, who signed under election polling papers, majority non ruling party. Were is the real undisputable evidence of tampering?
Long before and up to last minute all the polls, even by gallup, predicted Serj's win.
As far as I am concerned, Serj Sargsian has won and all official international figures have accepted and congratulated him.

Anybody continuing with see-saws is doing something like below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPNYYr4aLaM

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Dear,
That's the problem!
No one can know for sure, even Serj himself can't be sure, how many ballots he got, how many he baught, and even more, how many his boys and partners filled in...
That's all the problem ....

This might be a good guide to how many his boys and partners filled in:

In polling stations where observers were present to monitor the process:
Sargsyan gets 38% of the voters, Hovhannisyan gets 53% of the voters.

In polling stations where there were no observers present to monitor the process:
Sargsyan gets 58% of the voters, Hovhannisyan gets 20% of the voters, and the turnout is strangely much higher.

http://elections.transparency.am/2013/index.php?en_observer,27

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Those are the notes of some idiot from Vanadsor that "transparency" copies. They should check better than gossiping housewives swearing on latest news.
Sargsyan gets 58% of the voters, Hovhannisyan gets 20% of the voters, and the turnout is strangely much higher.

Those figures, unless I am reading the charts wrongly, are comparing the polling station results of all electoral districts in all of Armenia against the polling station results of all electoral districts in all of Armenia that had independent observers present at those polling stations (169 stations in total). On the pages linked to below the overall data, the figures are further broken down into districts: Yerevan (36 stations with observers), Shirak (81) , Lori (34), Tavish (8), and so on. Poling stations without observers present to check that the electoral process was proceeding without interference all showed a marked increase in the number of votes cast for Sargsyan and a larger percentage of the electorate voting at those stations. The only credible explanation for this is a tampering with the electoral process to inflate the votes cast for Sargsyan.

[Artashes]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Dear,
That's the problem!
No one can know for sure, even Serj himself can't be sure, how many ballots he got, how many he baught, and even more, how many his boys and partners filled in...
That's all the problem ....

Thank you
Artashes

[Vrej1915]

Re: Elections in Armenia

@ Vrej
From your perspective , what was the actual final vote count ? How many for Serj , how many for Raffi ?
Please in English .
Thank you .
Artashes

Dear,
That's the problem!
No one can know for sure, even Serj himself can't be sure, how many ballots he got, how many he baught, and even more, how many his boys and partners filled in...
That's all the problem ....