Elections in Armenia

[Mher]

Re: Elections in Armenia

You are the shameful one. Armenia is in too xxxxed-up a state for you to want to live there - yet you seem to think you have the right to stop those who are socially aware and are sticking it out in order to try and better their country and fight against the forces that are destroying it. You sound like the sort of diaspora Armenian who is only interested in the amount of community dinners they can attend, in the knowledge that (if they attend enough of them, and grease the right palms with the right sort of donations, and don't rock the boat) eventually they too will have a dinner in their honour (and maybe even a shiney medal with their name on it).

Not that I'm a big fan of bell
But really that is a great point to raise
If people in Armenia shouldn't be protesting, if everything in Armenia is so well, why don't all the people on this forum who criticize these people move to Armenia yourself? Is it not just a little bit hypocritical to tell people that they are not allowed to complain about their living standards, standards that you chose not to live in? Honestly, what is stopping all of you from moving to Armenia

And don't tell me "why don't you move yourself", because I'm not the one deciding what the people in Armenia are allowed, and furthermore, I have a timetable of moving within three years

[Haykakan]

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Yeh ok Bell like Obama is gona take care of things in Armenia... There is nothing wrong with criticizing your government but this guy is doing a lot more then that. Armenia has enough foreign powers interfering with her as it is and the last thing we need is more foreign intervention. Nevermind the blockade, the threat of war, the world economic crisis.. lets just blame Serj for everything. I don't like the oligarch system either but i have about as much power to change that system as Serj does.

[bell-the-cat]

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This is shameful.....how do these cry babies even qualify and get so much support is beyond me but hey, I don't live in Armenia so not my place to criticize to say.

You are the shameful one. Armenia is in too xxxxed-up a state for you to want to live there - yet you seem to think you have the right to stop those who are socially aware and are sticking it out in order to try and better their country and fight against the forces that are destroying it. You sound like the sort of diaspora Armenian who is only interested in the amount of community dinners they can attend, in the knowledge that (if they attend enough of them, and grease the right palms with the right sort of donations, and don't rock the boat) eventually they too will have a dinner in their honour (and maybe even a shiney medal with their name on it).

[Eddo211]

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This is shameful.....how do these cry babies even qualify and get so much support is beyond me but hey, I don't live in Armenia so not my place to criticize to say.

[Haykakan]

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More aholes trying to start a fire where there is none.

USA-BASED HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVIST ARA K. MANOOGIAN SENDS OPEN LETTER TO US PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA

http://hetq.am/eng/news/24407/usa-based-human-rights-activist-ara-k-manoogian-sends-open-letter-to-us-president-barack-obama.html

17:01, March 13, 2013

"Dear Mr. President,

I would like to express my concern about your congratulatory message
to Serzh Sargsyan, the acting President of the Republic of Armenia,
on his re-election. Your message came 12 days after the Presidential
Election, which was marred with considerable election fraud. What I
would like to ask you is: what changed between February 18 and March 2,
to convince you that the official election results are reliable?

Your note of congratulation came amid numerous reports on election
fraud, including ballot stuffing, voter bribing, voting on behalf
of emigres and deceased individuals, and multiple voting. The
public outcry over these falsified official election results has
escalated, with massive rallies held throughout Armenia and in
other Armenian communities all around the world. Receipt of your
congratulatory note also coincided with the day that OSCE/ODIHR
revised its initial, generally positive assessment of the election,
acknowledging the sensibility of public distrust in the official
election results, and indicating facts that amount to election
tampering. (For more details on the February 18, 2013 election
fraud, please visit http://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/99931,
http://raffi4president.am/en/violations and
http://www.pf-armenia.org/sites/defa...tatement-3.pdf)

I have always had respect for your adherence to democratic values and
rule of law. However, I believe that your congratulatory message to
Serzh Sargsyan on March 2, 2013, was a disappointing departure from
your core principles.

Congratulations from such significant world powers as the United States
simply legitimize election fraud and are being used by Serzh Sargsyan
and the ruling elite to cement the travesty of their re-election
as acceptable.

On March 4, 2013, U.S.-born Raffi Hovannisian, the presidential
runner-up according to the official election results, filed a petition
with the Constitutional Court of the Republic of Armenia, seeking to
annul the official results of the February 18 presidential election
and certify Raffi Hovannisian as President-elect.

He declared a hunger strike on March 10, 2013, until either the
Constitutional Court admits that the official election results were
skewed in favor of Serzh Sargsyan or the latter admits to election
fraud and steps down. Raffi Hovannisian has also declared he would
concede to a runoff to confirm the validity of the outcome.

Lack of response or refusal to withdraw your congratulations will
result in my declaration of a hunger strike. I would humbly ask that
you respect the vote and the will of the Armenian people and the
independence of our Constitutional Court by retracting your untimely
congratulations until the Armenian citizens themselves resolve the
current political crisis.

Most respectfully yours, Ara K. Manoogian
(http://www.thetruthmustbetold.com/ara-k-manoogian/ )

[Haykakan]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Yeh Raffi seems to be a hollow plastic doll with nothing much to offer becides a screaming voice. What is his national security policy? What is his economic policy? How does he plan to build a nation? Screaming won't get any of these things done and i bet even his strongest supporters do not know what his policies are regarding these issues ( i wonder if he himself knows). You cant just support someone because he is diasporan or because he is against the present system or because he is loud..you need to judge a man by his substance - what are his ideas and plans and do they make sense for the purpose they are intended to serve? I have seen nothing about how Raffi plans on protecting Armenia from the hoards of Turks around us after he spits in Russias face. This is the recklessness that is unforgivable and truely identifies a fraud because a man who really cares about the people he wants to govern would never put them under such a dangerous scenario. This line of reckless behavior is inline with the dashnak ways of doing things and it comes as no surprise that he is in constant collaboration with them.

Well said, Haykakan.
3 weeks ago, I was hoping that Raffi would shape new opposition that pulls up it's sleeves and works to counterbalance the ruling party and some of it's oigarkhs in pariament or any other local governing body. But it seems his play is just the same old opposition game in just more polite outfit.
there is a talk of opposition members resigning in parliament. How stupid. The same old mentality. "I don't care what happens with government if I am not in power."
Political strugle in the name of politics.
Rafi's words sometimes resemble halucinations. He is not just throwing it on to Serj but all the other world leaders.
Yerevan city elections are near and opposition can't get up from the benches yet.
More and more theese liberals look like snake oil sellers peddling thier magic pills on the streets...

[Haykakan]

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Urakhem vor ko nman haskatsogh martik kan mer metch. Yes pisiki masin urish kartsik unem. Yes chgitem te enk hayeri handep ench mitker uni kam chuni vorhovetev enk misht pahuma era eskakan mitker meznits. Nuin zhamanak pisiki grvatsner ais forumum yes hashvumem shat ogtakar. Chiste vor shat era gratsner batsi hayerin aki tak ktseluts urish ban chen nerkaiatsnum bait meyevnuin zamanak na asume baner vor erok voch meain chisten baits vor meznits shater cheinel mtazi ait baneri masin yete na chgrer drants masin. Pisik khelatsi marte yeh shat baner giti mer patmutsian yev erakanutian masin vor ankam meznits shater chigeten. Yes hashvumem vor nra het zrutsel bavakanin artsunabere vorhovetev nra het vechelu hamar du petk unes arach lav mtatsel yev ais der vor enk khakhume ais forumum yes hashvumem vor bavakan karevore kani vor na steepume mez mtatsel. Te na erok lav kam vat banere maghtum hayerin kamel bnav hog chuni te Hayastan vagh klini te che yes erok chgitem baits da che nshanakum vor enk aistegh karevor der chi ghaghum.
As for Meschian i think he is the armenian Vysotsky and i loved listening to Vysotsky since i was a kid.
I will chek out your other vid and i am happy to see you contributing here.

Very good posts again Haykakan, you're right history keeps repeating itself because humanity doesn't learn from its past (mistakes). Hell most people don't even learn from their own mistakes let alone take lessons from history.

Inch verabervum e "pisik" kochecyalin im karciqov aveli lav e iren ayspes asac "bani tex chdnes". Iharke du lav gites baic inchkan ira gracnerin patasxanes inchkan shat iren arit ktas vor himar himar durs ta. Ari chmorananq vor inq@ hay chi ev henc ayt pacharov ira sirt@ chi karox caval Hayastani hamar inchpes mer sirt@, inq@ inchqan el uzi chi karox haskana te mer erkri hamar vorne chisht zarganalu chanaparh@ baic menq karoxenq ayt chanaparh@ gtnel ev ayt chanaparh@ gtnelu iravunq@ miayn mer@na!
Ev im karciqov inq@ nuynisk iravunq chuni xosa dra masin. Iren petqe pahi inchpes huyr@ iren kpahi urishi tan@. Hima aynpes tpavorutyun e toxnum te karces inq@ mi shat "zargacac" andz e yev ekel e vor mez mi erku ban sovoracni...amot iren ev iren hargox hayerin!
Yev ete nkates inq@ erbeq ko gracnerin chi patasxanum, du mi ban es asum inq@ lriv urish ban a patasxanum.
Te inq@ inch gorc uni stex es chgitem, ev inchi ays forumi "moderatorner@" ira handep hatuk verabermunq en cuyc talis da el chem haskanum. Qani anqam eghel e vor inq@ urishin anhargel e ev nuynisk hayhoyel baic iren erbeq ban chen asel isk hakarak depqum anhnarin er ban chasein. Iharke sa chi verabervum mer Enker (mecatarov!) "Federate" in.
Sranic avel ban chem asi et "pisik"i masin inq@ arzhani chi tekuc mi varkyan mer kyanqic korcnenq ira hamar.


About the protests, just listen to the golden words spoken by Arthur Meschian in 1991 and which still apply to this day. I think you'll like it and you probably think the same as he does about these things:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcF0doK0KlY

P.S. I changed the link of the birdman to the one I wanted to post about raffiks visit to the marzes. You can watch that one too if you want.

[Vrej1915]

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PRO-GOVERNMENT SINGER POSTPONES CONCERT IN GYUMRI OVER POSSIBLE PROTEST

http://www.armenianow.com/arts_and_culture/44372/armenia_republican_shushan_petrosyan_singer_concert_gyumri

ARTS AND CULTURE | 13.03.13 | 10:48

Singer Shushan Petrosyan, a lawmaker with the ruling Republican Party
of Armenia (RPA), who has been on fire over her controversial remarks
about last month~Rs presidential election, has postponed her concert
in Gyumri that was originally scheduled for March 13 to avoid clashes.

During a televised talk show earlier this month Petrosyan accused
Gyumri residents of being dishonest. She hinted that voters in the
second largest city of Armenia should have voted for the candidate they
had taken bribes for instead of casting their votes to the opposition.

Opposition leader Raffi Hovannisian garnered a nearly 70 percent
support among Gyumri residents in the February 18 ballot, as opposed
to only 27 percent won by incumbent President Serzh Sargsyan, the
leader of the RPA.

The comment made during a prime-time television show on Kentron
TV caused a great controversy on Facebook and other online social
networking sites, with most people condemning such behavior.

~SIt is not my problem. I would not like clashes, no matter ten people
or more attend my concerts,~T Petrosyan told Tert.am.

~SI know 13 people plan a meeting for tomorrow. I think clashes are
inevitable with such public sentiments. So I should postpone the
concert until people are more tranquil,~T the singer said.

A civil movement in Gyumri was reportedly going to hold a protest
against Petrosyan~Rs concert in Armenia~Rs second largest city on
Wednesday.

This is not the first time Petrosyan cancels a public event. Last
Friday she refused, at the last moment, to be a guest of a popular
Facebook conference with RFE/RL~Rs Armenian Service. It was not clear
whether she made the decision in view of the multitude of questions
sent in by Facebook users regarding her controversial statement.

[Hakob]

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One of the issues humans have is their ability to forget the past which leads to them repeating their own mistakes over and over again. This same kind of atmosphere was in place when the armenians demanded independence from the soviet union decades ago yet here we are after all that time and the living standards of the citizens of Armenia are still not at the levels they were during soviet times. People gave the exact same arguments then that the kitty is giving now yet somehow all these promises of freedom and democracy never materialize. Could it be due to some bad luck(hay baght) or perhaps it is due to the fact that such things do not exist to begin with? Just ask the citizens of the most powerful democracy the world has ever known about how content they are about their government. You guys just dont seem to get it-free and fair elections mean nothing if people are hungry. If you are upset about the oligarchs then you need to become more of a socialist country because regardless of what you do capitalism always concentrates wealth in a uneven manner even in countries people here like to use as examples like the scandanavian countries. There is a hierarchy of human needs which need to be adressed in that order or else the efforts to adress higher needs without addressing the basic ones will be futile. People worry about putting food on the family table, warming their homes, and being safe first before they start caring if their votes count or not. I keep saying that Armenia cannot guerantee her own security but it seems to be falling on deaf ears. If you cannot guarentee the security of your own people then you cannot progress and effectively address the higher needs. You guys seem to think that Armenia can do it all without worrying about the very basic issue of security and as always such assumptions are dead wrong just like history has so painfully proven to us the armenians over and over and over again. But hey look everybody else is going for democracy so we have to do it to, o and look everybody else is going for capitalism so we have to do it to..its the typical bandwagon jumper mentality that all humans share and the reason why we will always keep making the same mistakes over and over and over again and again and again..Individual freedom is meaningless to a guy that is dead or starving and if you think Armenia is very far from being dead or starving then you need to take your rosy sunglasses off because if the likes of Raffi finely convince the russians to forget about Armenia then the dreams of the the lot called Talat and Envir will finely come true - the only armenian will indeed be in a museum but he wont be called an armenian he will be called the long lost ancestor of the turk. Bell you are right - armenians do have a diaspora and will leave for it but you are wrong about why they leave. They do not leave because they didnt want to try-they leave because reality is grim. These people survived war, hunger, cold, earthquake, thieves and traitors.. yet they still did not get security or even the lives they once had decades ago. Its not so easy to leave the place you call home-the place of your ancestors-the city with that beutifull mountain which seems so close yet lies so far from reach. If you want meaningful change you will have to change the economic system otherwise people will be saying the same ccrap about Raffi as they are saying about Serj now in the not too distant future. The older you get the more you start to realize that history repeats itself and if you do not want another genocide or to lose our homeland yet again then you have to do something different this time. Jumping on the bandwagon doesnt work-you eventually need to settle down and build. If Raffi was a builder-a man who wanted to make real change which would better the lives of the people in Armenia then i would be all for him being elected but looking at Raffi is just like looking at Obama or Romney-people obssessed with power and themselves, who will stop at nothing to get what they want regardless of how many must be killed or jailed or robbed.. The diaspora is a blind man and now the blind man wants to lead the country. I think you can figure out how this one is going to end even before it begins.

Well said, Haykakan.
3 weeks ago, I was hoping that Raffi would shape new opposition that pulls up it's sleeves and works to counterbalance the ruling party and some of it's oigarkhs in pariament or any other local governing body. But it seems his play is just the same old opposition game in just more polite outfit.
there is a talk of opposition members resigning in parliament. How stupid. The same old mentality. "I don't care what happens with government if I am not in power."
Political strugle in the name of politics.
Rafi's words sometimes resemble halucinations. He is not just throwing it on to Serj but all the other world leaders.
Yerevan city elections are near and opposition can't get up from the benches yet.
More and more theese liberals look like snake oil sellers peddling thier magic pills on the streets...

[Vrej1915]

Re: Elections in Armenia

COMMANDOS: "RAFFI AND HIS TEAM ARE WELL AWARE OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING."

http://lurer.com/?p=84230&l=en

2013-03-13 12:52:14

Former candidate for presidency, the leader of "Heritage" party Raffi
Hovhannisyan contines his hunger strike at Loiberty Square in Yerevan.

Hovannisian is periodically visited by his allies, party friends,
politicians and cultural figures.

Political developments in Armenia brought into the political arena
representatives almost of all shperes, all were quick to express
their opinion about the events unfolding in Armenia.

Lurer.com talked to Artsakh war hero, Major General Arkady
Ter-Tadevosyan (Commandos). Ter-Tadevosyan said he did not wish to
comment on the created political situation, to assess, since the
estimates are given by those who are well-informed in this area. He
also did not want to comment on his friends' actions.

"Raffi and his team are well aware of what they are doing. Both on
this side, and on the other are my friends, I do not want to say
anything to anyone", Commandos said.

Arkady Ter-Tadevosyan wished only peace and a peaceful outcome in
the created political situation.