Elections in Armenia

[Vrej1915]

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COMMANDOS: "RAFFI AND HIS TEAM ARE WELL AWARE OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING."

http://lurer.com/?p=84230&l=en

2013-03-13 12:52:14

Former candidate for presidency, the leader of "Heritage" party Raffi
Hovhannisyan contines his hunger strike at Loiberty Square in Yerevan.

Hovannisian is periodically visited by his allies, party friends,
politicians and cultural figures.

Political developments in Armenia brought into the political arena
representatives almost of all shperes, all were quick to express
their opinion about the events unfolding in Armenia.

Lurer.com talked to Artsakh war hero, Major General Arkady
Ter-Tadevosyan (Commandos). Ter-Tadevosyan said he did not wish to
comment on the created political situation, to assess, since the
estimates are given by those who are well-informed in this area. He
also did not want to comment on his friends' actions.

"Raffi and his team are well aware of what they are doing. Both on
this side, and on the other are my friends, I do not want to say
anything to anyone", Commandos said.

Arkady Ter-Tadevosyan wished only peace and a peaceful outcome in
the created political situation.

[Vrej1915]

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1,6 MILLION VOTER TURNOUT IN ARMENIA'S PRESIDENTIAL POLL UNREAL, ARTAK ZEYNALYAN SAYS

TERT.AM
10:42 ~U 13.03.13

The 1,6 million voter turnout in Armenia's presidential elections is
the most obvious argument that election results have been rigged with
no one believing in them, 'Rule of Law' NGO chairman Artak Zeynalyan
said, speaking to Tert.am.

"We do not believe, people do not believe. In other words, the 1,6
voter turnout is unreal number," he said.

In his words the 2003 elections saw the biggest voter turnout in
Armenia's history with Stepan Demirtchyan and Robert Kocharyan running
for presidency. "In such conditions the authorities showed 900,000
voter turnout. A question rises was it more this time or less? All
know, all have seen the first round of the 2003 elections, the voter
turnout was the highest and now we are being told that this time
1,600,000 voter turnout has been registered," he said, adding that the
voter turnout was not big, with the rest being the issue of lawyers.

"Let them formulate and present people whether it is right or not,"
he said, stressing that in any case they have no right to demonstrate
mechanical approach in the process of appeal of the elections.

"In general the usage of election right must not be mechanical, the
important thing is public's perception. People are not being guided
by court ruling in Armenia," he stressed.

Referring to the statement of the chairman of the Central Election
Commission Tigran Mukuchyan that the Constitutional Court has never
examined such groundless application, Zeynalyan first said as far as
he was the author of previous applications, it would be wrong for him
to comment on, but said there is no difference as the CC has always
made the same ruling.

"If Mr Mukuchyan says it is less grounded, consequently the others were
more grounded or very grounded while the ruling was the same," he said.

Following the whole judicial process, Zeynalyan said the opposition
should get prepared for appealing the election results at the CC
before the elections.

[Vrej1915]

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ARF LEADER VISITS HUNGER STRIKING HOVANNISIAN

ARF leader Vahan Hovennesian meets with opposition leader Raffi
Hovannisian in Liberty Square

YEREVAN-Armenian Revolutionary Federation Parliamentary bloc and
Bureau member Vahan Hovanessian visited Raffi Hovannisian on Freedom
Square Tuesday to express solidarity with the opposition leader,
two days after the latter started a hunger strike.

Vahan Hovanessian had a brief conversation-not audible to
journalists-with Raffi Hovannisian, telling journalists surrounding
them, "I am not here to see you."

But when asked what he thought about Raffi Hovannisian's hunger strike,
the ARF leader said, "That, I can tell you. I think this is taking
it to an extreme. Everything aside, Mr. Hovannisian has earned a
large number of votes. I don't think all avenues of struggle were
exhausted. This is my honest conviction."

He added, "Of course, I am not here to give lessons or advice; I am
here to express my solidarity. But I would have loved to express that
solidarity in other arenas, and not here."

Asked what else Hovannisian could have done, the ARF Bureau member
said that his party has answered that question repeatedly.

The ARF argues that regime change can be accomplished gradually,
starting with the Yerevan municipal elections in May. Negotiations
between opposition parties to form an opposition front in recent days
have not yielded concrete results yet.

On March 10, Raffi Hovannisian said during a rally that on April 9,
Serzh Sarkisian will be sworn in as president "over my dead body,"
adding that he will start a hunger strike on Freedom Square.

"If on April 9, Sarkisian takes his fake oath on the Holy Bible,
and if the Catholicos desecrates the Bible and blesses the candidate
[Sarkisian] who mocks the people, then that will happen over my dead
body," he had said.

Raffi Hovannisian has since remained on Freedom Square, where several
political leaders and thousands of supporters have visited him to
express solidarity with the barevolution leader.

On Tuesday afternoon, Hovannisian held a press conference. Regarding
his foreign policy priorities, Hovannisian stated that he is against
integration into the Eurasian Customs Union. "This does not imply
that Armenia should not develop relations with Asian countries and
the East," Hovannisian said. "Such relations should be forged over
a different path."

Reflecting on a proposal made by another opposition figure Aram
Sargsyan who suggested that opposition groups in Parliament relinquish
their mandates, Hovannisian said that no such necessity will arise
if Armenia holds snap parliamentary elections.

Asked about the prospect of Sarkisian visiting him at Liberty Square,
Hovannisian declared that he has nothing left to say to Mr. Sarkisian
but is willing to "meet and listen to him with respect."

Meanwhile the Constitutional Court of Armenia continued hearings
on the appeal against the official results of Armenia's February 18
presidential election. The next session will convene tomorrow.

On Wednesday, Heritage Party board Vice-President Armen Martirosyan
will hold a press conference at noon, and Raffi Hovannisian will hold
a press conference at 5 pm.

http://asbarez.com/108748/arf-leader-visits-hunger-striking-hovannisian/

[Vahram]

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aveli lav e iren ayspes asac "bani tex chdnes". Iharke du lav gites baic inchkan ira gracnerin patasxanes inchkan shat iren arit ktas vor himar himar durs ta.

mer metch abooshair meian hayastani kesh panair goozen asel. yev odarnar gan vor hay chen pitz goozen vor gardzes vor hay en!

forumi "moderatorner@" ira handep hatuk verabermunq en cuyc talis da el chem haskanum. Qani anqam eghel e vor ink@ urishin anhargel e ev nuynisk hayhoyel baic iren erbeq ban chen asel isk hakarak depqum anhnarin er ban chasein

Arten kani had hay ban erin yev us eshin bahetzin. Yegoor me havadar vor modnair hed tzerk tzerki pernadz en.

You know I love Meschian, the first time I heard Oor ess asdvatz!

Ter mer hamar asdvatz hok che dar vorov menk hayastani vera ge tooknekgor! Yete hayair hayastani vera ge tooknen, menk azdavatzen inch gespasenkgor?

[Lernakan]

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One of the issues humans have is their ability to forget the past which leads to them repeating their own mistakes over and over again.....

Very good posts again Haykakan, you're right history keeps repeating itself because humanity doesn't learn from its past (mistakes). Hell most people don't even learn from their own mistakes let alone take lessons from history.

Inch verabervum e "pisik" kochecyalin im karciqov aveli lav e iren ayspes asac "bani tex chdnes". Iharke du lav gites baic inchkan ira gracnerin patasxanes inchkan shat iren arit ktas vor himar himar durs ta. Ari chmorananq vor inq@ hay chi ev henc ayt pacharov ira sirt@ chi karox caval Hayastani hamar inchpes mer sirt@, inq@ inchqan el uzi chi karox haskana te mer erkri hamar vorne chisht zarganalu chanaparh@ baic menq karoxenq ayt chanaparh@ gtnel ev ayt chanaparh@ gtnelu iravunq@ miayn mer@na!
Ev im karciqov inq@ nuynisk iravunq chuni xosa dra masin. Iren petqe pahi inchpes huyr@ iren kpahi urishi tan@. Hima aynpes tpavorutyun e toxnum te karces inq@ mi shat "zargacac" andz e yev ekel e vor mez mi erku ban sovoracni...amot iren ev iren hargox hayerin!
Yev ete nkates inq@ erbeq ko gracnerin chi patasxanum, du mi ban es asum inq@ lriv urish ban a patasxanum.
Te inq@ inch gorc uni stex es chgitem, ev inchi ays forumi "moderatorner@" ira handep hatuk verabermunq en cuyc talis da el chem haskanum. Qani anqam eghel e vor inq@ urishin anhargel e ev nuynisk hayhoyel baic iren erbeq ban chen asel isk hakarak depqum anhnarin er ban chasein. Iharke sa chi verabervum mer Enker (mecatarov!) "Federate" in.
Sranic avel ban chem asi et "pisik"i masin inq@ arzhani chi tekuc mi varkyan mer kyanqic korcnenq ira hamar.


About the protests, just listen to the golden words spoken by Arthur Meschian in 1991 and which still apply to this day. I think you'll like it and you probably think the same as he does about these things:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcF0doK0KlY

P.S. I changed the link of the birdman to the one I wanted to post about raffiks visit to the marzes. You can watch that one too if you want.

[Vahram]

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Only the likes of Vahram go on and on about the need for "agreement" and "unity".

LOL!!! This guy is something else. This is the best he can do to insult me?...ROTF

Yes sorry for asking my people to have some unity and agreement, I guess in your twisted world these are considered insults. Why don't you first try and read what you write and then post it? This way I can't so easily make an arse out of you with your own words...ROTF!

The people in my "Fascistic or Religious Extremist Organisations Operating Inside Armenia" thread are the same sort. So to, increasingly, is the Armenian Church.

The hussars are coming! Don't dare say anything in front of this cat, as he has so much hate for the church, he might even burn Raffi at the stake...ROTFLMAO

Oh bell thanks for the laughs buddy, all this church attack by an Englishmen who long ago defamed the church. A church created by a king in order to have as much sex as possible....ROTF

Another words standard English debauchery, and he has advice for Armenians...LOL

What should we do bell hang and behead our wives to keep you happy?...LOL

Hey bell can you walk on custard?

LOL thanks for the laughs bell!!!

[Haykakan]

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One of the issues humans have is their ability to forget the past which leads to them repeating their own mistakes over and over again. This same kind of atmosphere was in place when the armenians demanded independence from the soviet union decades ago yet here we are after all that time and the living standards of the citizens of Armenia are still not at the levels they were during soviet times. People gave the exact same arguments then that the kitty is giving now yet somehow all these promises of freedom and democracy never materialize. Could it be due to some bad luck(hay baght) or perhaps it is due to the fact that such things do not exist to begin with? Just ask the citizens of the most powerful democracy the world has ever known about how content they are about their government. You guys just dont seem to get it-free and fair elections mean nothing if people are hungry. If you are upset about the oligarchs then you need to become more of a socialist country because regardless of what you do capitalism always concentrates wealth in a uneven manner even in countries people here like to use as examples like the scandanavian countries. There is a hierarchy of human needs which need to be adressed in that order or else the efforts to adress higher needs without addressing the basic ones will be futile. People worry about putting food on the family table, warming their homes, and being safe first before they start caring if their votes count or not. I keep saying that Armenia cannot guerantee her own security but it seems to be falling on deaf ears. If you cannot guarentee the security of your own people then you cannot progress and effectively address the higher needs. You guys seem to think that Armenia can do it all without worrying about the very basic issue of security and as always such assumptions are dead wrong just like history has so painfully proven to us the armenians over and over and over again. But hey look everybody else is going for democracy so we have to do it to, o and look everybody else is going for capitalism so we have to do it to..its the typical bandwagon jumper mentality that all humans share and the reason why we will always keep making the same mistakes over and over and over again and again and again..Individual freedom is meaningless to a guy that is dead or starving and if you think Armenia is very far from being dead or starving then you need to take your rosy sunglasses off because if the likes of Raffi finely convince the russians to forget about Armenia then the dreams of the the lot called Talat and Envir will finely come true - the only armenian will indeed be in a museum but he wont be called an armenian he will be called the long lost ancestor of the turk. Bell you are right - armenians do have a diaspora and will leave for it but you are wrong about why they leave. They do not leave because they didnt want to try-they leave because reality is grim. These people survived war, hunger, cold, earthquake, thieves and traitors.. yet they still did not get security or even the lives they once had decades ago. Its not so easy to leave the place you call home-the place of your ancestors-the city with that beutifull mountain which seems so close yet lies so far from reach. If you want meaningful change you will have to change the economic system otherwise people will be saying the same ccrap about Raffi as they are saying about Serj now in the not too distant future. The older you get the more you start to realize that history repeats itself and if you do not want another genocide or to lose our homeland yet again then you have to do something different this time. Jumping on the bandwagon doesnt work-you eventually need to settle down and build. If Raffi was a builder-a man who wanted to make real change which would better the lives of the people in Armenia then i would be all for him being elected but looking at Raffi is just like looking at Obama or Romney-people obssessed with power and themselves, who will stop at nothing to get what they want regardless of how many must be killed or jailed or robbed.. The diaspora is a blind man and now the blind man wants to lead the country. I think you can figure out how this one is going to end even before it begins.

[Artashes]

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It will be exactly what he meant to say.

Only the likes of Vahram go on and on about the need for "agreement" and "unity". The people in my "Fascistic or Religious Extremist Organisations Operating Inside Armenia" thread are the same sort. So to, increasingly, is the Armenian Church. It is always an "agree to do what I want, and if you don't you are not a proper Armenian" sort of demand for unity, and it only results in actually increasing discord and division.

---- only the likes of Vahram go on about " need for agreement and unity " ---
How dare Vahram even suggest we Armenians NEED agreement and unity .
Your above comment about the church and others contriving to get agreement with what " they " want , and substituting that as -- agreement and unity -- is false and quite misleading .
Agreement and unity and contrived agreement and unity aren't the same thing at all .
Divergent opinions and discussion of path forward are healthy but are not mutually exclusive .
Are you and Tom Servo actually arguing AGAINST agreement and unity ?
Your substituting contrived manipulation for agreement and unity is quite sly and fraudulent .
Agreement and unity through understanding is the path forward .
Artashes
--- it only results in discord and division ---
Bell points to fraudulent activities (but) labels them -- agreement and understanding -- and then goes on to point out that the fraudulent activity which bell labeled as " agreement and unity " was the cause of --- discord and division ---
--- agreement and unity --- are the exact opposite of --- discord and division --- !
Agreement and unity --- DO NOT --- lead to discord and division .

[bell-the-cat]

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---- as well as lack of unanimity amongst Armenians within and without Armenia , which can -- only -- be a good thing ---
???
Is that really what you ment to say ?
Artashes
Discord is always a good thing ? Lack of agreement is a good thing ?

It will be exactly what he meant to say.

Only the likes of Vahram go on and on about the need for "agreement" and "unity". The people in my "Fascistic or Religious Extremist Organisations Operating Inside Armenia" thread are the same sort. So to, increasingly, is the Armenian Church. It is always an "agree to do what I want, and if you don't you are not a proper Armenian" sort of demand for unity, and it only results in actually increasing discord and division.

[Artashes]

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LOL, bell, I agree with you. Unlike in 2008, there seems to be a lot more pressure from the diaspora this time around (but not enough), as well as a lack of unanimity amongst Armenians within and without Armenia, which can only be a good thing.

And I was only kidding with all the Foucauldian stuff. Foucault actually had the luxury of theorizing within a country that was (and is) much freer than Armenia (though not nearly as free as Foucault would have wanted it to be).

---- as well as lack of unanimity amongst Armenians within and without Armenia , which can -- only -- be a good thing ---
???
Is that really what you ment to say ?
Artashes
Discord is always a good thing ? Lack of agreement is a good thing ?