Elections in Armenia

[Vahram]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Tom i think it is unfortunate but true that most diasporans think like you. You pick out the trash to represent the whole nation. Why do you do this?

How about all the Beuritzis? I'm ashamed to say but since we are all so open and liberal lets start flinging mud shell we?

Have you seen the trash of the non hayastantsy diasporans?

Like the ones sniffing glue?...LOL

Why not compare oranges to oranges instead of apples to oranges?

Very simple let me tell you why and I'm going to quote him! """""""" refuse to accept your argument that it is the blockade, lack of resources, and threat of war """"""""""""""

There is only so much reason that can be spoken to the unreasonable! Thomas Friedman and Bell love these guys! They are doing all the work for them! Pounding their chests from 3 thousand miles away of what our brothers should be doing in Armenia! The Hippo is out of the bag now!

How can you support people who take time out to go and convene with foreign government agencies before deciding their next moves?

So long as the republic can be sank, so long as the cat approves! Salt to salt ashes to ashes, and an Esh for an Esh! After all one donkey deserves another! Unless of course this is all part of the plan as this is the only thing making sense at this point.

Is this not enough proof that they are serving someone elses will?

Man why do you keep asking when the comeback is going to be " I refuse to believe " The guy is not a Raffi fan, he is a Freidman fan! Wait I mean they are both the same, what I mean is if you like Raffi then you love Friedman because Raffi is Freidmans right hand man! After all does he not have a Joo wife now? Another Der petrosian type, " How could you guys take more land back when I'm giving it all away" That's the type of guy he is, and Friedman loves him for it!

You really thing diaspora should support sabatours and spies?

Yes it is what he wants...when he is not busy fetching posts for the pet that is. Don't worry there will be short wise post back to all this, but I have a cure below!

"I refuse to accept your argument that it is the blockade, lack of resources, and threat of war and not the oligarchy that is responsible for the current situation" are you serious?"

He is serous, that is why there is no comeback to any points raised. Just like the pet! In fact this is the guy that went out of his way to go find old posts of the pet! How dare you even question this any more? The only thing to do is to repeat over and over the points raised without a response and continue to do so over and over again! Lets see how long this game lasts then!

[Haykakan]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Tom i think it is unfortunate but true that most diasporans think like you. You pick out the trash to represent the whole nation. Why do you do this? Have you seen the trash of the non hayastantsy diasporans? Why not compare oranges to oranges instead of apples to oranges? How can you support people who take time out to go and convene with foreign government agencies before deciding their next moves? Is this not enough proof that these people are empty inside? Is this not enough proof that they are serving someone elses will? You really thing diaspora should support sabatours and spies? Do you even believe the things you say?" I refuse to accept your argument that it is the blockade, lack of resources, and threat of war and not the oligarchy that is responsible for the current situation" are you serious? This last statement is proof of detachment from reality. How can anyone say war, lack of resources, and blockade are trumphed by oligarchy - especialy when all the capitalist nations have oligarchs but most do not have the other problems mentioned and they are doing better(somehwat better anyways)? I am not rying to make anyone look bad here but just think about what you posted-it doesn't even make any sense! Its like saying forget about the taliban, the USA invasion, the opium gangs, the muslim fundementalists, the lack of education, the russian invasion, the constant state of war..the real problem in afganistan are not these things but the corruption of the present government is the real issue. Would you really believe this statement to? Cmon man seriously- i doubt even you can read your own writing and conclude that it makes sense.

"Sniffing glue"? Do you really want to start comparing the behavior of diasporans and many of your compatriots in Los Angeles? You may choose to view the community with "rose-colored glasses" but the reality (like the reality in Armenia) is ugly.

This is what I meant when I said that there needs to be an honest examination of the failure of the postwar diasporan repatriation to Armenia. An Armenian government official (I believe it was the Minister of the Diaspora) apologized a few years back but that's not good enough. The diaspora can't serve as a cash-cow to a country whose inhabitants treat them and their concerns with such indifference (and in some cases, aversion). Fortunately, many diasporans have realized this, hence the increasing support for people like Hovannisian and Oskanian.

I refuse to accept your argument that it is the blockade, lack of resources, and threat of war and not the oligarchy that is responsible for the current situation. Armenia could still be an attractive place to live even with those barriers. You just don't want to examine the country's sundry problems and use the blockade and Turkey/Azerbaijan as excuses.

[Artashes]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Bro I'm not misunderstanding you, what I'm saying is that we should come up with some concepts if the ones presented are no good. We can't say no to everything and be stuck where we are and expect utopia! We have a global issues, governments have gone by the wayside. Look at Cyprus, a nation with banks, shipping oil and gas. They just robbed their own people to pay the likes of Goldman Sacks. We are not seeing realities nor are we coming up with any solutions besides blaming one entity for every problem we have. We should get money from someplace and be able to afford all the things we want. But under a blockade when you can't even ship manufactured goods because of the expense of air travel we can't sit back and blame Oligarchs. We are being silly and not understanding that the situation is not good globally let alone tinny Armenia.

Lets open the discussion to what should be done! It is easy to say no to every idea but we need to come up with ideas. I'm as guilt as anyone for not having some great idea to get us making money. But none of us here are coming up with any solution just crying like babies and trying to topple what little we have built in these 20 short and troubled years. From quake to blockade every issue can't simply be brushed aside. This is unreasonable! especially when no one else has the remotest of an idea of how to fix one thing, let alone everything!

Some incredibly good ideas .
When I first joined this club , I thought I'd be joining other Armenians seeking out our next best moves and how we could accomplish them . Instead I got this ( the sound of laughter & crying is coming from me ).
---- lets open a discussion to what should be done ----
Gotta be one of the best sentences I've seen on this forum .
Artashes

[Vahram]

Re: Elections in Armenia

I didn't write the article, though.

Dude I was poking fun at your earlier statement. Man we just don't have as many options as we wish. It is a shame we are not as well off as I would like. However we should not lose touch with reality. What is left of the homeland is a tinny little slice of land that is crammed up against a bunch of savages.

It is fine if you did not write the article, but we should not believe everything that is written! I'm not saying it is false, but I would not automatically say it is true. Simple fact is that while people like you have good intentions, there are many who don't. This toppling of governments is a Western trademark that has been very affectively used over and over again. The one place they have not been able to pull it off is Armenia. Let us fix our problems bro, but let us do it slow. Let us not flip the ship over to fix a leak!

We can't not believe that the blockade is not having an affect. We can say we should use our resources wisely, fine and true who can argue. But we are losing the scope, we are losing the capability to do anything about it. We should work with what we have, and if next time someone from Armenia or the diaspora runs for elections may he be the best man on the planet. Like it or not I never liked Serj! I know you think I'm making an excuses for the government but this is not the case. I hated his guts for even sitting down with toorks and signing the protocols. I respect the man because he did the politically correct thing and it worked out in our favor. Had that been me we would have been worse off! I had nothing against Raffi or anybody else. But this fake assignation attempt, the contacts with the British Embassy before the shooting. Raffi's antics with hunger strikes, I pick Serj. Again I did not like the man, but what else do we have? Let us regroup, let us find new leaders from our own midst and try again next time. Let us not plaster our image in the dirt for the enemies who print things in the media not to the benefit of the Armenian people but for a great geopolitical agenda. We have to start seeing the entire picture, aside from our own shortcomings. Sadly some of these shortcomings come from our own political parties running for president. This has been the most embarrassing election to date. We deserve better on all fronts, but let us not pick and chose to our liking what to bash and what to praise. We don't have much luxuries bro, it is sad, but it is true.

[TomServo]

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I refuse to believe a word you say

That's fine.

I didn't write the article, though.

[Vahram]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Armenian officials doing what they do best...

I refuse to believe a word you say

[Vahram]

Re: Elections in Armenia

We have been blessed with a fine intellect and an industrious nature . Let us not be guided by the greed ridden by their bait and switch money con . Let us instead do the environmently & nationally right and appropriate thing .
To do it right and be financially successful are not exclusive to each other , no matter what the conniving try to tell us .

Bro I'm not misunderstanding you, what I'm saying is that we should come up with some concepts if the ones presented are no good. We can't say no to everything and be stuck where we are and expect utopia! We have a global issues, governments have gone by the wayside. Look at Cyprus, a nation with banks, shipping oil and gas. They just robbed their own people to pay the likes of Goldman Sacks. We are not seeing realities nor are we coming up with any solutions besides blaming one entity for every problem we have. We should get money from someplace and be able to afford all the things we want. But under a blockade when you can't even ship manufactured goods because of the expense of air travel we can't sit back and blame Oligarchs. We are being silly and not understanding that the situation is not good globally let alone tinny Armenia.

Lets open the discussion to what should be done! It is easy to say no to every idea but we need to come up with ideas. I'm as guilty as anyone for not having some great idea to get us making money. But none of us here are coming up with any solution just crying like babies and trying to topple what little we have built in these 20 short and troubled years. From quake to blockade every issue can't simply be brushed aside. This is unreasonable! especially when no one else has the remotest of an idea of how to fix one thing, let alone everything!

[TomServo]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Armenian officials doing what they do best...

Money Laundering, Offshore Transactions: Nairit’s Rubber Money Flows Into Pockets of Russian & Armenian Officials

$170 million is squandered and stolen in Armenia, a country in the midst of a deep economic crisis and where 35% of the population officially lives in poverty. The regime brandishes a sword in its declared fight against corruption in one hand, while the other hand is busy stealing and squandering from the people.

It goes without saying that the RA government, particularly the Ministry of Energy and Natural Resources which owns 10% of Nairit, is responsible. The government knew about the tens of offshore and Russian companies that Nairit set up and the transactions carried out. Vahan Melkonyan, Interstate Bank’s representative in Armenia, and Nairit director at the time of the loans, can present a detailed picture of how this tangled financial puzzle siphoned off all those millions. RA Prime Minister Tigran Sargsyan is also full aware of what happened since the sale and loan transactions occurred under his watch. Adding insult to injury, Ashot Sargsyan, one of the Nairit Plant deputy directors, is the PM’s brother,

It’s hard to predict if any of these officials will ever be called to account. But neither can these same officials pretend not to notice the facts staring them in the face.

Full article: http://hetq.am/eng/news/25140/money-...officials.html

[Artashes]

Re: Elections in Armenia

I'm happy too, form a patriotic standpoint. But we must understand as happy as we are this is costing us MONEY! Something Tomservo refuses to accept! This is called living in a daydream. We don't want fish farms, we don't want to use the water from Sevan. We don't want sheep, we don't want mining. We don't seem to want much of anything yet we sit here and criticize the Armenian government for not doing enough. Every move they make is wrong, all approaches to making any money are refused yet we want a utopian country that has no problems. This fantasy we have to leave behind, and understand and accept reality for what it is. We are as guilty as the government and yes damn the fecking toorks and their airports. Hence this makes me as guilty as some of you here, however I don't sit back and put my head in the sand and expect a rosy outcome because of our nationalistic views and just blame the Armenian Government for all the actions of all her children, including the ones in L.A. Sniffing glue!

Perchance we are not understanding one another .
I agree from a patriotic point also . The constant bait and switch offering financial gain for such things as those flights , lax or non existent mining regulations , polluting and depleting Seven ( and other water resources ) , sheep grazing & baboon residence , etc are just that --- bait and switch .
Not every opportunity to reap financial gain is beneficial . Most of any monetary gain by the likes of fish farming etc goes in the hands of the privileged and unjust and actually does more harm to the nation , offsetting any potential benefit the monetary gain might seem to bring .
To say or imply that we cannot develope our mineral , water , land , etc resources properly , with appropriate oversite is wrong . The desire to circumvent due diligence for the quick cash is an offen used tactic by the greed ridden that has proven quite successful for them to the detriment of the world at large .
I and others am not saying we don't need to generate cash but millions of sheep and the accompanying monkeys ???? Fish farming ??? Etc. sorry , those are terrible ideas on so many levels .
We cannot ruin the environment for cash !!! We cannot jeopardize our sovereignty and safety for cash !!!
We have been blessed with a fine intellect and an industrious nature . Let us not be guided by the greed ridden by their bait and switch money con . Let us instead do the environmently & nationally right and appropriate thing .
To do it right and be financially successful are not exclusive to each other , no matter what the conniving try to tell us .
Artashes

[Vahram]

Re: Elections in Armenia

Concerning the decision to NOT have turdish flights to Yerevan --- hooray ! I also am pretty happy about that .

I'm happy too, form a patriotic standpoint. But we must understand as happy as we are this is costing us MONEY! Something Tomservo refuses to accept! This is called living in a daydream. We don't want fish farms, we don't want to use the water from Sevan. We don't want sheep, we don't want mining. We don't seem to want much of anything yet we sit here and criticize the Armenian government for not doing enough. Every move they make is wrong, all approaches to making any money are refused yet we want a utopian country that has no problems. This fantasy we have to leave behind, and understand and accept reality for what it is. We the people are guilty and yes damn the fecking toorks and their airports. Hence this makes me as guilty as some of you here, however I don't sit back and put my head in the sand and expect a rosy outcome because of our nationalistic views and just blame the Armenian Government for all the actions of all her children, including the ones in L.A. Sniffing glue!