Elections in Armenia

[Mher]

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Raffi Hovannisian

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[londontsi]

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http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/146715/

Serzh Sargsyan ready to meet Raffi Hovannisian

February 20, 2013 - 15:41 AMT

PanARMENIAN.Net - At Feb 20 rally in Yerevan’s Liberty Square, former Armenian presidential candidate, Heritage party leader Raffi Hovannisian will say whether he met with president-elect Serzh Sargsyan.

“Mr Hovannisian is a man of principle, he is a true patriot. He won’t lead his people to new challenges. Instead, he will offer a civilized method of struggle,” Heritage party member Anahit Bakhshyan told a press conference.

Presidential spokesman Armen Arzumanyan, in turn, noted that Serzh Sargsyan stands ready to meet with Raffi Hovannisian.

“The president of the country is always ready to meet with the leaders of the political forces. Now, too, the president stands ready to meet with Raffi Hovannisian,” Mr Arzumanyan told Panorama.am.

On Feb 19, Mr Hovannisian gave president-elect Serzh Sargsyan one day to admit his mistake before the law and the Armenian people.

“He will receive people’s forgiveness in that case. People have won, every one knows this. I hope Serzh Sargsyan will admit my victory and the victory of Armenian people,” Heritage leader said.

Otherwise, the party leader expressed readiness to hold a rally at Liberty Square and keep it till the end.

He further said he will possibly address the court with a demand for election recount.

[Artashes]

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I am glad to see the elections are over.




So am I.
I cannot face change.
Lets have more of the same.

Enough said lets move forword whatever that means.

Perchance you have misread me . I can face change . I find change desirable from the undesirable things taking place today .
My concern is that those candidates who spoke of change , and clearly defined objectives either seemed to be Trojan horses groomed by outside forces or would negotiate with the enemy and other forces to obtain their prosperity goals .
In my opinion this offer of prosperity is the " carrot " that the wrong side tries to " lure " us with !
I think even the best intentioned of the candidates would succumb to the EXTREME hardball politics and the big hitters playing that ball .
Serj is showing to be exceptional !
In his term look how far we've come . Actually surprising advances , considering the situation .
I know the oligarch thing is ugly and debilitating . My fear is the man who comes in to clean house of the oligarch problem is the one who brings in western ambitions which is even worse than our oligarchies by a long shot .
We are hamstrung right now, we can't move to fast at this moment .
But we can understand what needs be changed and identify the actions we need to take in preparation to make these changes , this we can do now .
If the operation kills the patient ...
Artashes

[londontsi]

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Am glad to see Serj win .

I am glad to see the elections are over.

I am relieved Serj won .

So am I.
I cannot face change.
Lets have more of the same.

Enough said lets move forword whatever that means.

[Artashes]

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Am glad to see Serj win . I know it seems like more of the same BUT he seems like the only one that won't sell the country for a dollar or a promise .
Watched the Hovanisian PR and had trouble telling him from virtually any American politician . Promise you anything and everything . Again , he struck me as smoke & mirrors all the way . It's easy to promise the poor , it's easy to promise the elderly , it's easy to promise the hungry .
If Armenia wants a billion dollars today or 10 billion dollars by the weekend that is no problem . All Armenia needs to do is tell America they are ready to take America's lead and we can have brand new freshly printed money FAST !
I am relieved Serj won .
Artashes

[Vahram]

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A few days ago there were some clips of "reports" of vote byings. But those were rather like UFO reporting. Cameras showing empty streets and some people informing about seing withnesses. But no actual evidence.
Am I missing something here?

Some here will use anything, even a UFO to bad mouth Armenia, it's just a habit of theirs. They think with all the Orange and meatball revolutions that by talking Sh!t they are going to get a cheap victory and put a Western clown in place. Not going to happen, but some here are willing to go the distance, the best thing is that we have a new president and they did not get what they wanted..LOL

Are we growing up yet?

Nope never! The minute they say you are grown up they will be defeated. So they will try again, as if they are not blue in the face! Give Armenia another 10 years, and watch them turn from blue, to purple to orange, finally a real color revolution...ROTFLMAO

[Hakob]

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So Serjik goes for second term. I watch peopl's comments online and a funny thing. Whoever voted for opposition is adamant that election was a froud. But in that, those people are just about third of interviewed. About 2/3 is saying that they expected Serj to win. Sort of in line with election result ratios ha?
A few days ago there were some clips of "reports" of vote byings. But those were rather like UFO reporting. Cameras showing empty streets and some people informing about seing withnesses. But no actual evidence.
Am I missing something here?
Are we growing up yet?

[Vahram]

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But it IS an excuse. An excuse to avoid fixing something that is in your power to fix on the grounds that some other country allegedly has the same problem that it hasn't fixed or has some some other even worse problem that it hasn't fixed

I think part of the problem is you give us far too much credit at times, without realizing the facts. For a country to be this battle ridden simply does not exist in human history. From Genocide till now and even before. From earthquakes to blockades and a ruined economic system left over not just by the USSR but compounded by war and quake. Landlocked with crazy people all around. With all this and a short 20 year history of modern life. Instead of measuring what has already been measured you are holding us to some mythical standard of power that is just establishing itself. You will see, but not tomorrow but the day after tomorrow what an Armenian is capable of. Under these existing conditions it is a miracle we are still alive. Artsakh the battle that was never supposed to be won, was won, with muskets and 4 Armo's. You will see the day after tomorrow more of her potential, for now you are being premature.

It will take a longtime because the longer it takes, the more money the criminals can make. I can't see any other reason for this unneeded railway to Iran other than lining the pockets of the corrupt.

Or maybe it is a masterful Azeri plan to bankrupt Armenia ... first give lots of money (which Azerbaijan has plenty of) to Georgia to build their own unneeded railway to Kars ... then con Armenia into thinking this stupid Tibilisi-Kars railway is of strategic importance and so requires an equivalent strategic response by Armenia in the form of building their own unneeded new railway.

You give the baboon too much credit for something that China, Russia and Iran are backing. I don't think you understand what this means, nor have you studied how China plays. This is the beginning of the new silk road, and this is a game changer. These are the facts on the ground, but again we will elect to ignore this for a mythical Armenians who are up to no good far too much credit on either end of the spectrum. One section of this railroad has already been extended, no one cares about the money made making the railroad everyone has their eyes on the prize, the goods that will flow freely on the new Silk Road. The last time the silk road was in play the Mongols and toorks managed to destroy this historic land bridge amongst nations. The Dragon has awakened, time to understand these facts, and the Dragon has not forgotten her old Friends! She fully realizes that the Armenia was an integral part of the silk road and has great value. Unlike your Western brothers, too busy with Orange this and spring that revolution to ever keep their eye on something constructive.

[Haykakan]

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It IS an excuse. An excuse to avoid fixing something that is in your power to fix on the grounds that some other country allegedly has the same problem that it hasn't fixed or has some some other even worse problem that it hasn't fixed.

I never said we should avoid fixing anything. What i am saying is that Armenia has problems just like any other country and it has much fewer resources then most other countries to deal with these problems. Other countries are not blockaded nor do they face genocidal maniacs which outnumber them 1000/1. The oligarchy system in Armenia is perhaps less refines but is very much like the bs systems all over the world in countries that use the capitalist system. The USA is being run by oligarchs which take the form of powerful special interest groups. I am for changing things its just that you have to realize what needs changing. Taking out a Dodi Gago is not going to do anyone any good, putting Rubo in jail is not going to accomplish anything becaus so long as the capitalist system stays - another dodi gago will pop up and another rubo will appear. In this regard i am perhaps for much bigger change then you think. Another thing to consider is the alternatives that are available. If not Serj then who? Look at what Serj did in 5 years and compare it with what the other leaders did. Now take that and compare it with lets say Raffi who has not done much of anything anywhere nor has he shown glipses of hope of doing anything anywhere. If there is a better candidate then i am all ears but..

[bell-the-cat]

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Its not an excuse-but it is the reality of capitalism. Perhaps you prefer i use Donald Trumph as a more time/relevant example? I am quite sick of ignorent people saying bs like o look countries like Norway have it all right with capitalism and democracy working togather blah blah blah..Like they overlook glaring facts that Norway has a huge golden egg in the north sea in the form of oil. I do not mind comparing things as long as you compare apples with apples and not apples with oranges. Btw im not so stincky today-pipes are not frozen.

But it IS an excuse. An excuse to avoid fixing something that is in your power to fix on the grounds that some other country allegedly has the same problem that it hasn't fixed or has some some other even worse problem that it hasn't fixed.