Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

[Mos]

Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

Blood is important, but culture supercedes it.

Well how often you have a person with no Armenian blood being raised as an Armenian or having Armenian culture? If you have Armenian culture, there's 99.5% chance you have Armenian blood (and it being significant so >25%)

[Armanen]

Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

Blood is important, but culture supercedes it.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

not always true.
but let's pretend for a moment that it is 100% true.
there are many people that say they're black. some of them don't look black. some of them i'm pretty sure aren't even black. but they swear somewhere in their family there is a black person, and they go and try to find who it is -so they can keep saying they're black.

Perhaps they they want to take advantage of affirmative action. Black is a colour, there are extremely dark skinned people from India. Just because they are black doesn't mean they are African. Haitians are also from Africa but they've been in Haiti for so many generations that they have no attachment to Africa. There are Indians in South Africa that have been there for 6 or 7 generations. A lot of people have been transferred against their will for slavery purposes. There are Indians in the West Indies, same thing.

To be Armenian requires a sense of being and attachment that comes from being raised by Armenians, observing their mannerisms and adopting the identity.

[Armanen]

Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

not always true.
but let's pretend for a moment that it is 100% true.
there are many people that say they're black. some of them don't look black. some of them i'm pretty sure aren't even black. but they swear somewhere in their family there is a black person, and they go and try to find who it is -so they can keep saying they're black.



Mexicans do that all the time.

They're famous models is all. No one takes them very seriously unless to discuss their body.

Not really fair or accurate to compare Armenian assimilation with Mexican similation. Armenia is a small nation, which less than 100 years ago suffered a genocide; 1/3 of world's Armenian population gone in a matter of 3-4 years. Furthermore, as I have often said, there is no culture which Armenia comes really close to, the closest are some of the fellow Cacausian peoples, and the Persians. However, Mexicans are part of a larger Latin culture which streches from the Rio Grande to Patagonia. I know there are differences between the various nations of Spanish Latin America, however, in comparison to Armenia and its neighborhood, they are close.

[Mos]

Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

#2) The Kardashians at the most basic definition are Armenian. When it comes to blood, they are (to be more technical) "part Armenian." Now, whether they have Armenian SELF-IDENTITY is another matter. Though the Kardashians are famous for their bodies instead of their culture, there is no real way of knowing how "Armenian" they feel they are.

How the hell are they Armenian? Please tell me a people who have grown up in a American household, with American values, with no knowledge of Armenia, Armenian culture, or language, how the hell are they Armenian!!! They are American wh*res, end of story! They are as much Armenian as I am Japanese. I wonder if their last name was Smith, would there be the same talk.

[Tali]

Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

Wrong, blacks in America have absolutely NO CONNECTION to their African roots emotionally or culturally. The majority don't even know what part of Africa they are from.

not always true.
but let's pretend for a moment that it is 100% true.
there are many people that say they're black. some of them don't look black. some of them i'm pretty sure aren't even black. but they swear somewhere in their family there is a black person, and they go and try to find who it is -so they can keep saying they're black.

They feel so Armenian that they feel the need to insult the culture repeatedly. They are beyond trash and an embarrassment to any society let alone Armenian. They are NOT ARMENIAN.

Mexicans do that all the time.

They're famous models is all. No one takes them very seriously unless to discuss their body.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

A couple things...

#1) Integration for a couple generations doesn't completely destroy a culture. If you notice, the further a generation gets from its "roots," the more they want to get back in touch with their "roots." *That precisely how ancestry.com is making so much money: feeding off of that desire. There's a joke around in the US about how there's a major thing about "being black": "If there's a drop of it in you somewhere, and you act/talk black, YOU BLACK B!TCH!!"

Wrong, blacks in America have absolutely NO CONNECTION to their African roots emotionally or culturally. The majority don't even know what part of Africa they are from.

#2) The Kardashians at the most basic definition are Armenian. When it comes to blood, they are (to be more technical) "part Armenian." Now, where they have Armenian SELF-IDENTITY is another matter. Though the Kardashians are famous for their bodies instead of their culture, there is no real way of knowing how "Armenian" they feel they are.

They feel so Armenian that they feel the need to insult the culture repeatedly. They are beyond trash and an embarrassment to any society let alone Armenian. They are NOT ARMENIAN.

[Tali]

Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

A couple things...

#1) Integration for a couple generations doesn't completely destroy a culture. If you notice, the further a generation gets from its "roots," the more they want to get back in touch with their "roots." *That precisely how ancestry.com is making so much money: feeding off of that desire. There's a joke around in the US about how there's a major thing about "being black": "If there's a drop of it in you somewhere, and you act/talk black, YOU BLACK B!TCH!!"

#2) The Kardashians at the most basic definition are Armenian. When it comes to blood, they are (to be more technical) "part Armenian." Now, whether they have Armenian SELF-IDENTITY is another matter. Though the Kardashians are famous for their bodies instead of their culture, there is no real way of knowing how "Armenian" they feel they are.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

To me integrate is similar to what Vartan Mamigonian did.
Pretend you are one of them but within you always know that you are not.

Exactly, basically you're supposed to be an Armenian agent. The reason a lot of girls in the diaspora are like Kim K is because they have rejected being Armenian.

[Mos]

Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

Assimilation is the greatest enemy for Armenia. That's the problem with having a large diaspora. Children grow up wanting to look, think, and talk like others around them, and thus forfeit their armenian identity for where ever they live. This is especially true in the West like US or Europe, though in Russia I would say assimilation is less of a case for Armenians. The burden lies on the parents really, so it's their fault if they children are ignorant of their Armenian identity.

What really makes me mad is whenever some refers to Kardashian as Armenian. Having Armenian last name or some Armenian blood doesn't necessarily make you Armenian!!! That's all symbolic, what matters is your own recognition of your identity, you knowledge of it, your connection to Armenia. With that you can relate to other Armenians, you can feel Armenian. Having Armenian last name or even blood doesn't make you feel closer to Armenians or Armenia. If I adopted Chinese last name tomorrow and found out my grandfather was Chinese, I would never feel close to Chinese or believe that I belong to the group, it's all useless symbolism.