Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

[londontsi]

Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

My point (which was not very clear, my apologies) is that you can do both, be Armenian and integrate into your host nation.

To me integrate is similar to what Vartan Mamigonian did.
Pretend you are one of them but within you always know that you are not.

Assimilate means you loose all trace of your Armeniannes.
Your descendants will not inherit their right to be Armenian.

[Joseph]

Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

Well if you read what was said by Tigranakert and what you have written AFTER your statement that you “agree” in fact you are disagreeing.

He is talking about assimilation and “integration” yet you are bringing examples to the opposite.

Incidentally my greatest respect for that.

My point (which was not very clear, my apologies) is that you can do both, be Armenian and integrate into your host nation.

[londontsi]

Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

Agree. .

Well if you read what was said by Tigranakert and what you have written AFTER your statement that you “agree” in fact you are disagreeing.

He is talking about assimilation and “integration” yet you are bringing examples to the opposite.

Incidentally my greatest respect for that.

I'm only half Armenian (one quarter Italian and one quarter Greek) but love all things Armenian and support the cause 100%. I know several Armenians of varying degrees of Armenian % and most if not all of them attend Armenian church, speak Armenians, support causes related to Armenians, etc.

[Joseph]

Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

Blood doesn't matter, 1/4, 1/8, 1/2, being Armenian is more than that. I think you guys should just relax, this is not the end of our world nor a danger to our society. We have more important things to think about. Let her do what she wants, if she sees herself as an "Armenian", good for her. I don't want to break your hearts, but half the Armenian girls I know in The Netherlands have been with blacks and arabs. This is what happens if you live in a foreign country, this is what we call assimilation and "integration". And now, one of those assimilated Armenian girls has become famous, and everybody is attacking her. Look around you! There are a lot of Kim Kardashians around us.

Furthermore, don't let emotions lead you. Israel has even used jewish prostitutes (xxxxs) for the struggle against Arabs, the story is quite wonderful I must say and genius (she had a whore house filled with camera's, where high-ranking Arab officials came, after that Israel demanded some things, or else...)

Agree. I'm only half Armenian (one quarter Italian and one quarter Greek) but love all things Armenian and support the cause 100%. I know several Armenians of varying degrees of Armenian % and most if not all of them attend Armenian church, speak Armenians, support causes related to Armenians, etc.

[londontsi]

Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

I think you guys should just relax, this is not the end of our world nor a danger to our society.

We have more important things to think about.

Let her do what she wants, if she sees herself as an "Armenian", good for her.

I don't want to break your hearts, but half the Armenian girls I know in The Netherlands have been with blacks and arabs.

This is what happens if you live in a foreign country, this is what we call assimilation and "integration".

And now, one of those assimilated Armenian girls has become famous, and everybody is attacking her.

Look around you! There are a lot of Kim Kardashians around us.

Unfortunately the reality is slightly different.

Assimilation is the "slow death" of the nation.
No different than the deaths of our soldiers in Karabagh but this time there is not even a "cause".

Assimilation is a process.
It happens in one or two generations.
It is very easy to see but unfortunately because we are too “civilised” we do not comment when we see it.
Certainly we do not criticize.

I can see two ways this happen ( for the diaspora Armenian ) .

Either a married couple ( both Armenian ) do not care how their kids are growing up and is not an issue if they loose their identity.
Although we “count” them as Armenian in fact THEY ARE NOT.
There is no “belonging to the nation “ within them.

The other way is although the parents do their utmost to bring their offspring as an Armenian,
the offspring when he realises he is “grown up” and he can lead his own life decides to marry a non Armenian.

He/She “THINKS” it does not compromise “HIS/HER” Armeniannes by marrying a non Armenian.
Its a classic sinking boat, with a large hole in it.

The chances of the next generation having any commitment to “carry the flag” is simply is not there.

In the case of the Kardashians their father was of the second category.
Married a non Armenian, whose off springs grew up without the “leadership” of the parents and became a drop in the “sea” called the US.

Yes we “cannot blame them” but surely it was somebody's fault.

Why didn’t society identify during this whole process say, “DO YOU REALISE WHAT YOU REALLY ARE DOING?”
Of coarse we don’t. We are too “civilised “ for that.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

Blood doesn't matter, 1/4, 1/8, 1/2, being Armenian is more than that. I think you guys should just relax, this is not the end of our world nor a danger to our society. We have more important things to think about. Let her do what she wants, if she sees herself as an "Armenian", good for her. I don't want to break your hearts, but half the Armenian girls I know in The Netherlands have been with blacks and arabs. This is what happens if you live in a foreign country, this is what we call assimilation and "integration". And now, one of those assimilated Armenian girls has become famous, and everybody is attacking her. Look around you! There are a lot of Kim Kardashians around us.

Furthermore, don't let emotions lead you. Israel has even used jewish prostitutes (xxxxs) for the struggle against Arabs, the story is quite wonderful I must say and genius (she had a whore house filled with camera's, where high-ranking Arab officials came, after that Israel demanded some things, or else...)

[londontsi]

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... you say they're 1/4 Armenian..but the bottom line is they are still Armenian.

A “100% Armenian” who does not care or feel a belongingness to his/her nation, culture, country
is not an Armenian no different to a Germen or French person.

Same applies to a “1/4 Armenian” .

[freakyfreaky]

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It depends on what your definition of "famous" is.

Either it is "widely known" or it is "honored for achievement".

In this case, the Kardashians are widely known not for any achievement per se except that Kim knows how to have sex in front of a camera and they have self-promoted themselves very well with the help of Ryan Seacrest.

They are not famous in Armenian circles.

They are being exploited because of name recognition from the OJ trial when their father reinstated his bar card after not actively practicing law for over twenty years and acted as OJ's bag man and mouthpiece. I don't recall Sr. doing anything at trial except acting like OJ's bodyman and a fly on the wall. Rumor has it the bag that disappeared before trial was part of Robert's estate after he died.

If OJ's wife and boyfriend were not found dead in Brentwood, the Kardashian name does not get broadcast to million of households and Robert Sr. is never seen throughout the U.S. reading a 'suicide note' just before OJ and his sidekick are filmed on local freeways running from the po-po.

In fact, there is some chatter that Robert, Sr. had hired or tried to hire a hitman to take out Nicole.

http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?title=Robert_Kardashian

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-hills-ca/TPDUCO4GVGEQ7KEBI

http://www.smartfellowspress.com/Flow_Chart_Wasz.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/954700.stm

[gegev]

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The Chinese guy speaking Armenian on youtube is more Armenian than the Lardassians.

Exactly, it is the only thing that makes her celebrity.

[Mos]

Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

How do you know that they don't know anythng about Armenian culture? Have you met them & talked to them? You are judging them. I've met Rob & he talks Armenian & knows about Armenia.

They don't. They barely know about the things around them let alone Armenia. The fact of the matter is they have grown up in a American household, and the only reason they use 'Armenian' is so that they stand out or that they sound special from the others, which is rather a disgusting tactic. And just because their last name is Armenian doesn't make her Armenian. Look at last names in US. People have English, German, French last names, that makes them necessarily that nationality? No, they are American. Besides why the hell would you want to associate these corrupt american w*hores with Armenia? This is a information war, and turks/azeris have been using the Kardashian = Armenian idiocy to ruin our image and name. We must do our best to distance ourselves from these people and show clearly they are not part of the Armenian group.