Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

[KanadaHye]

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And before you go on about "Armenian Mindsets" and "values" guess what Cher, Agassi, probably even Aznavour never had an "Armenian Mindset" or held any "Armenian Values" Cher wasn't even raised by her Armenian father..

Out of the 3, probably only Aznavour was marginally Armenian. Why is it that we don't give notice to true Armenian celebrities like Isabel Byrakdarian? The problem is with the Armenian community, we don't support our artists and help them achieve world recognition. That and intelligence doesn't achieve fame on a world stage that's run by Hollywood executives and agents.

[Mos]

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The point is, it doesn't matter what we think constitutes as a real Armenian, or whether Kim and her sisters are 25% or 100%, they've labeled themselves as Armenian, and that's what society knows them as, and it's better to have some representation, even if it's bad then no representation at all.

As for "if her last name was 'smith' we wouldn't claim her", there are Armenian sites that go on about how Princess Diana was 1/64th Armenian, Cher is only 1/2, Agassi is only 1/4.

As for Kirk, being a billionaire only makes you famous if you did something cool like found Microsoft or face-book or are in the top 5 (honestly, how many of the top 50 can you name?). Also dropping from the 14th richest person in the world to the 307th certainly doesn't help.

I don't know how famous Kim is outside the USA, but she has 6,569,932 followers on twitter, Oprah has 5,235,646. Or to put it another way she has over double the population of Armenia as fans.

I'm not saying Kim is more well known than Oprah just that there's a sizable chunk of the population that likes her alot (btw cher only has a 140K followers, even with an international fan base, a vegas show and a movie with Christina Aguilera). "Keeping Up With the Kardashians" viewership has constantly gone up over the years as well, and many Americans know all the sisters names, not just Kim.

Also I don't care if Kim's given to Armenian charities or not, just b/c she rich doesn't mean she should have to give. If every diasporan Armenian donated 5 bucks every year to Armenia instead of complaining about how rich Armenians don't donate, a lot more would have already gone to Armenia.

Kim also maybe is being smart and saving, feeling that the 10% of her income she donates to the dream foundation and other charities is a little to much since she knows fame is fickle and good looks don't last forever.

As for the good she's done for Armenia, she's been a better spokesperson than the Armenian mafia douche bags who brought us a bunch of negative attention with the largest medicare scandal ever. Then there's the usual bad story having something to do with the Armenian Power group in Cali.

She's also mentioned the Armenian genocide before, there was clip of her being interviewed by someone at the white house correspondent dinner and she spoke about it.

And before you go on about "Armenian Mindsets" and "values" guess what Cher, Agassi, probably even Aznavour never had an "Armenian Mindset" or held any "Armenian Values" Cher wasn't even raised by her Armenian father..

It becomes a problem when you have a prostitute and western wh*re claiming to be Armenian when she has no legitimacy to do so. She's not Armenian, but she claims she is and thus ruins our image, ruins the image for the real Armenians who work hard to keep up our name. She should only be referred to as American - Americans love their wh*re celebrities.

[ara87]

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The point is, it doesn't matter what we think constitutes as a real Armenian, or whether Kim and her sisters are 25% or 100%, they've labeled themselves as Armenian, and that's what society knows them as, and it's better to have some representation, even if it's bad then no representation at all.

As for "if her last name was 'smith' we wouldn't claim her", there are Armenian sites that go on about how Princess Diana was 1/64th Armenian, Cher is only 1/2, Agassi is only 1/4.

As for Kirk, being a billionaire only makes you famous if you did something cool like found Microsoft or face-book or are in the top 5 (honestly, how many of the top 50 can you name?). Also dropping from the 14th richest person in the world to the 307th certainly doesn't help.

I don't know how famous Kim is outside the USA, but she has 6,569,932 followers on twitter, Oprah has 5,235,646. Or to put it another way she has over double the population of Armenia as fans.

I'm not saying Kim is more well known than Oprah just that there's a sizable chunk of the population that likes her alot (btw cher only has a 140K followers, even with an international fan base, a vegas show and a movie with Christina Aguilera). "Keeping Up With the Kardashians" viewership has constantly gone up over the years as well, and many Americans know all the sisters names, not just Kim.

Also I don't care if Kim's given to Armenian charities or not, just b/c she rich doesn't mean she should have to give. If every diasporan Armenian donated 5 bucks every year to Armenia instead of complaining about how rich Armenians don't donate, a lot more would have already gone to Armenia.

Kim also maybe is being smart and saving, feeling that the 10% of her income she donates to the dream foundation and other charities is a little to much since she knows fame is fickle and good looks don't last forever.

As for the good she's done for Armenia, she's been a better spokesperson than the Armenian mafia douche bags who brought us a bunch of negative attention with the largest medicare scandal ever. Then there's the usual bad story having something to do with the Armenian Power group in Cali.

She's also mentioned the Armenian genocide before, there was clip of her being interviewed by someone at the white house correspondent dinner and she spoke about it.

And before you go on about "Armenian Mindsets" and "values" guess what Cher, Agassi, probably even Aznavour never had an "Armenian Mindset" or held any "Armenian Values" Cher wasn't even raised by her Armenian father..

[freakyfreaky]

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I agree with Harvey Levin, if it was not for TMZ, this is a non-story. http://www.thewrap.com/media/column-...l-gibson-21074

Pure crassness.

[londontsi]

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To Armenians, they need to go beyond just having the blood.
They need to have an "Armenian Identity" - which comes from the culture, being raised in it, having the values, etc.

I would add to this the feeling of the need for self preservation of the nation.

[Tali]

Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

does any one else notice we're not actually having different opinions?
By blood (putting aside culture) they're "Armenian" on paperwork. To the Armenian community, that means nothing. To the government who cares about blood content, it does.

To Armenians, they need to go beyond just having the blood. They need to have an "Armenian Identity" - which comes from the culture, being raised in it, having the values, etc.

[Mos]

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Is identity carried by blood and genes? If she didn't have an Armenian last name and knew nothing about her birth mother, would she have any clue as to her Armenian ancestry? Of course not.

How is identity carried by blood and genes? If an Armenian that was full blooded was born to Italian parents and never told about his "genes", you really think he would one day feel that he was Armenian? No he would always regard himself as Italian, never question, and right to do so, as he would be only Italian.

Tell me are Americans that have German blood but are 3rd or 4th generation, Germans?

A full blooded Armenian who knows nothing about armenian culture, doesn't have armenian mindset, etc if dropped in yerevan he will feel like a foreigner, he's not going to feel "at home" because of his DNA.

[KanadaHye]

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Kanada did you keep in touch with her? You could help her exposure to Armenian culture.

No, she thought she had found relatives thinking I was one of them but I confirmed there was no relation and helped track down a couple other leads with the same last name living in the U.S..... one seemed like it could be her birth mother. She was the right age and had a former New York address which by then was shown to be living in Florida. I lost contact with her and I'm not sure if she pursued it or not.

[Federate]

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Kanada did you keep in touch with her? You could help her exposure to Armenian culture.

[KanadaHye]

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True story... I got a call from this girl from New York that was looking for her real mother. All she had to go by was her birth surname which was the same last name from my mom's side of the family. So she had looked up her last name and found my number. Anyways, this girl was abandoned at birth and adopted by an American couple. She also had a non related sister that was also adopted by the same couple so she grew up entirely American. Her mother was an Armenian immigrant from Turkey that migrated to America in the 70's, she was never married and gave birth to this girl as a single mother then gave her up for adoption. Throughout this young girl's life, she tried to find out about her past and who she was. What she ended up doing is researching middle eastern culture and she was actually belly dancing in New York apart from working other odd jobs. She was most likely 50% Armenian by blood but had no exposure to Armenian parents. Is identity carried by blood and genes? If she didn't have an Armenian last name and knew nothing about her birth mother, would she have any clue as to her Armenian ancestry? Of course not.