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  • #21
    Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

    Blood doesn't matter, 1/4, 1/8, 1/2, being Armenian is more than that. I think you guys should just relax, this is not the end of our world nor a danger to our society. We have more important things to think about. Let her do what she wants, if she sees herself as an "Armenian", good for her. I don't want to break your hearts, but half the Armenian girls I know in The Netherlands have been with blacks and arabs. This is what happens if you live in a foreign country, this is what we call assimilation and "integration". And now, one of those assimilated Armenian girls has become famous, and everybody is attacking her. Look around you! There are a lot of Kim Kardashians around us.

    Furthermore, don't let emotions lead you. Israel has even used jewish prostitutes (xxxxs) for the struggle against Arabs, the story is quite wonderful I must say and genius (she had a whore house filled with camera's, where high-ranking Arab officials came, after that Israel demanded some things, or else...)
    Last edited by Tigranakert; 02-22-2011, 02:32 PM.

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    • #22
      Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

      Originally posted by Tigranakert View Post
      I think you guys should just relax, this is not the end of our world nor a danger to our society.

      We have more important things to think about.

      Let her do what she wants, if she sees herself as an "Armenian", good for her.

      I don't want to break your hearts, but half the Armenian girls I know in The Netherlands have been with blacks and arabs.

      This is what happens if you live in a foreign country, this is what we call assimilation and "integration".

      And now, one of those assimilated Armenian girls has become famous, and everybody is attacking her.

      Look around you! There are a lot of Kim Kardashians around us.
      Unfortunately the reality is slightly different.

      Assimilation is the "slow death" of the nation.
      No different than the deaths of our soldiers in Karabagh but this time there is not even a "cause".

      Assimilation is a process.
      It happens in one or two generations.
      It is very easy to see but unfortunately because we are too “civilised” we do not comment when we see it.
      Certainly we do not criticize.

      I can see two ways this happen ( for the diaspora Armenian ) .

      Either a married couple ( both Armenian ) do not care how their kids are growing up and is not an issue if they loose their identity.
      Although we “count” them as Armenian in fact THEY ARE NOT.
      There is no “belonging to the nation “ within them.

      The other way is although the parents do their utmost to bring their offspring as an Armenian,
      the offspring when he realises he is “grown up” and he can lead his own life decides to marry a non Armenian.

      He/She “THINKS” it does not compromise “HIS/HER” Armeniannes by marrying a non Armenian.
      Its a classic sinking boat, with a large hole in it.

      The chances of the next generation having any commitment to “carry the flag” is simply is not there.

      In the case of the Kardashians their father was of the second category.
      Married a non Armenian, whose off springs grew up without the “leadership” of the parents and became a drop in the “sea” called the US.

      Yes we “cannot blame them” but surely it was somebody's fault.

      Why didn’t society identify during this whole process say, “DO YOU REALISE WHAT YOU REALLY ARE DOING?”
      Of coarse we don’t. We are too “civilised “ for that.
      Last edited by londontsi; 02-22-2011, 05:17 PM.
      Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
      Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
      Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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      • #23
        Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

        Originally posted by Tigranakert View Post
        Blood doesn't matter, 1/4, 1/8, 1/2, being Armenian is more than that. I think you guys should just relax, this is not the end of our world nor a danger to our society. We have more important things to think about. Let her do what she wants, if she sees herself as an "Armenian", good for her. I don't want to break your hearts, but half the Armenian girls I know in The Netherlands have been with blacks and arabs. This is what happens if you live in a foreign country, this is what we call assimilation and "integration". And now, one of those assimilated Armenian girls has become famous, and everybody is attacking her. Look around you! There are a lot of Kim Kardashians around us.

        Furthermore, don't let emotions lead you. Israel has even used jewish prostitutes (xxxxs) for the struggle against Arabs, the story is quite wonderful I must say and genius (she had a whore house filled with camera's, where high-ranking Arab officials came, after that Israel demanded some things, or else...)
        Agree. I'm only half Armenian (one quarter Italian and one quarter Greek) but love all things Armenian and support the cause 100%. I know several Armenians of varying degrees of Armenian % and most if not all of them attend Armenian church, speak Armenians, support causes related to Armenians, etc.
        General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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        • #24
          Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

          Originally posted by Joseph View Post
          Agree. .
          Well if you read what was said by Tigranakert and what you have written AFTER your statement that you “agree” in fact you are disagreeing.

          He is talking about assimilation and “integration” yet you are bringing examples to the opposite.

          Incidentally my greatest respect for that.

          Originally posted by Joseph View Post
          I'm only half Armenian (one quarter Italian and one quarter Greek) but love all things Armenian and support the cause 100%. I know several Armenians of varying degrees of Armenian % and most if not all of them attend Armenian church, speak Armenians, support causes related to Armenians, etc.
          Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
          Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
          Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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          • #25
            Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

            Originally posted by londontsi View Post
            Well if you read what was said by Tigranakert and what you have written AFTER your statement that you “agree” in fact you are disagreeing.

            He is talking about assimilation and “integration” yet you are bringing examples to the opposite.

            Incidentally my greatest respect for that.
            My point (which was not very clear, my apologies) is that you can do both, be Armenian and integrate into your host nation.
            General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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            • #26
              Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

              Originally posted by Joseph View Post
              My point (which was not very clear, my apologies) is that you can do both, be Armenian and integrate into your host nation.
              To me integrate is similar to what Vartan Mamigonian did.
              Pretend you are one of them but within you always know that you are not.

              Assimilate means you loose all trace of your Armeniannes.
              Your descendants will not inherit their right to be Armenian.
              Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
              Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
              Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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              • #27
                Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

                Assimilation is the greatest enemy for Armenia. That's the problem with having a large diaspora. Children grow up wanting to look, think, and talk like others around them, and thus forfeit their armenian identity for where ever they live. This is especially true in the West like US or Europe, though in Russia I would say assimilation is less of a case for Armenians. The burden lies on the parents really, so it's their fault if they children are ignorant of their Armenian identity.

                What really makes me mad is whenever some refers to Kardashian as Armenian. Having Armenian last name or some Armenian blood doesn't necessarily make you Armenian!!! That's all symbolic, what matters is your own recognition of your identity, you knowledge of it, your connection to Armenia. With that you can relate to other Armenians, you can feel Armenian. Having Armenian last name or even blood doesn't make you feel closer to Armenians or Armenia. If I adopted Chinese last name tomorrow and found out my grandfather was Chinese, I would never feel close to Chinese or believe that I belong to the group, it's all useless symbolism.
                Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
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                "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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                • #28
                  Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

                  Originally posted by londontsi View Post
                  To me integrate is similar to what Vartan Mamigonian did.
                  Pretend you are one of them but within you always know that you are not.
                  Exactly, basically you're supposed to be an Armenian agent. The reason a lot of girls in the diaspora are like Kim K is because they have rejected being Armenian.
                  "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                  • #29
                    Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

                    A couple things...

                    #1) Integration for a couple generations doesn't completely destroy a culture. If you notice, the further a generation gets from its "roots," the more they want to get back in touch with their "roots." *That precisely how ancestry.com is making so much money: feeding off of that desire. There's a joke around in the US about how there's a major thing about "being black": "If there's a drop of it in you somewhere, and you act/talk black, YOU BLACK B!TCH!!"

                    #2) The Kardashians at the most basic definition are Armenian. When it comes to blood, they are (to be more technical) "part Armenian." Now, whether they have Armenian SELF-IDENTITY is another matter. Though the Kardashians are famous for their bodies instead of their culture, there is no real way of knowing how "Armenian" they feel they are.
                    Last edited by Tali; 02-22-2011, 08:46 PM.

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                    • #30
                      Re: Add the kardashians to the famous Armenian section's description

                      Originally posted by Tali View Post
                      A couple things...

                      #1) Integration for a couple generations doesn't completely destroy a culture. If you notice, the further a generation gets from its "roots," the more they want to get back in touch with their "roots." *That precisely how ancestry.com is making so much money: feeding off of that desire. There's a joke around in the US about how there's a major thing about "being black": "If there's a drop of it in you somewhere, and you act/talk black, YOU BLACK B!TCH!!"
                      Wrong, blacks in America have absolutely NO CONNECTION to their African roots emotionally or culturally. The majority don't even know what part of Africa they are from.

                      Originally posted by Tali View Post
                      #2) The Kardashians at the most basic definition are Armenian. When it comes to blood, they are (to be more technical) "part Armenian." Now, where they have Armenian SELF-IDENTITY is another matter. Though the Kardashians are famous for their bodies instead of their culture, there is no real way of knowing how "Armenian" they feel they are.
                      They feel so Armenian that they feel the need to insult the culture repeatedly. They are beyond trash and an embarrassment to any society let alone Armenian. They are NOT ARMENIAN.
                      "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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