Tolerance in Armenia

[yerazhishda]

Re: Tolerance in Armenia

Just a quick comment about the gay thing:

Even in societies where gays are free to be open, their population never exceeds a few percent. Being gay is not a choice -- its genetics. If you "chose" to be straight, then you're wierd and should probably get some psychological counseling. Only someone who is unsure of their sexual orientation would assume that having gays in society would turn other people into gays. Thats not how it works, and we know better, we're not 10 years old here.

Plus, gays are useful for adopting children and giving them a chance at an education and to get somewhere in life. Especially in Armenia where there are lots of orphans, a few gays wouldn't hurt.

I don't care about whether they can have parades and all that crap -- you can still keep those things illegal. But what you do in your own home, and the relationships you choose to have, is your business. You won't see me preaching that cigarettes should be illegal, even though they kill tons of people a year and make the country's medical spending a lot higher than it should be. And thats money we can use on building infrastructure, military, etc. Not to mention that if everyone saves their cigarette money, it will be easier to send their kids to school and build a better society in general.

But oh, these evil gays with their anal sex... now thats a national security threat.

I agree 100% with your post. I think it's especially cruel to let orphans stay orphans because the majority thinks homosexuality is "wrong". Tell that to the kid without any parents, support, food, etc.

[Dice]

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ye if they are going to do what they do..since dont have kids and stuff might as well adopt

but then that raises the question what kind of kid will the kid turn out to be.
is a same-sex enviroment healthy for the kids psychology? will it make the kid want to/encourage the kid to be homosexual thus wasting more life?

[yerazhishda]

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ye if they are going to do what they do..since dont have kids and stuff might as well adopt

but then that raises the question what kind of kid will the kid turn out to be.
is a same-sex enviroment healthy for the kids psychology? will it make the kid want to/encourage the kid to be homosexual thus wasting more life?

Like ArmSurvival said sexuality is not environmentally influenced - it's genetic. In America, the states that allow homosexuals adopt have proven that there is no link between the sexuality of the parents and the sexuality of the adpotees.

Look at it this way: does being brought up in a heterosexual household determine whether one will be heterosexual or not? Of course not.

And even if it did mean that the kid would turn out gay, would this be worse than having the kid travel from orphanage to orphange, foster home to foster home, or at worse living on the streets? I would hope that you would opt for the kid to be in a homosexual household.

[Dice]

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a permenant roof over the kid's head is undoubtably the most important thing in this issue, what i said was secondary but still important.

that's a big topic and alot of people still don't believe it's genetic including many scientists, these studies were mainly issued by the lgbt community as propaganda to justify their behaviour.

this is a big argument and im not a scientist so not qualified to go into it

[Dice]

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Genes + Brain Wiring + Prenatal Hormonal Environment = Temperament
Parents + Peers + Experiences = Environment
Temperament + Environment = Homosexual Orientation

just found that on http://www.narth.com/ more info there

[Armanen]

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Wow Armsurvival, I'm suprised to see such comments to come from you. homosexuality inho is genetics and environment, but to say it is one or the other for sure like you did is absurd. There is still no conclusive scientific evidence to disprove either theory.

As for the orphan, there are plenty of people who can not have kids either and they should be the ones to adopt, not homos.

homosexuality is unnatural and unGodly. Humans like all creatures are meant to procreate and being gay obviously opposes that goal.

homosexuality may not be a national security threat but it certainly is a social threat, and I do not think any Armenian nationalist so be "ok" with it.

[Anonymouse]

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Like ArmSurvival said sexuality is not environmentally influenced - it's genetic.

That is untrue.

In fact, there is no conclusive evidence for either argument. All the evidence suggests that homosexuality is both genetic as well as environmentally influenced (which explains homosexuality in prisons).

In fact, several years ago there was a study done by a USC sociologist tracking same-sex parents. The obvious motive of the study was of course political, in that it set out to prove that same-sex parenting is absolutely normal. The results, however, indicated that children of same-sex parents were on average far more likely to "experiment" with those of the same sex. Of course, this was played down and swept under the rug like all things.

[jgk3]

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The results, however, indicated that children of same-sex parents were on average far more likely to "experiment" with those of the same sex. Of course, this was played down and swept under the rug like all things.

I didn't know about that, and what means did they use to downplay those results?

[Anonymouse]

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When they were interviewed they just acted like it was negligent or tried to overshadow those figures with other numbers. This study that I am referring to was published in The American Sociological Review in April of 2001 titled "Does the Sexual Orientation of Parents Matter?" by USC professors Judith Stacey and Timothy J. Biblarz.

Acceptance is different from tolerance. I tolerate the homosexual's right to exist and be a homosexual. I do not, however, accept his lifestyle as proper. It's presumed that unless we accept homosexuality we are not tolerant of homosexuality. However, there is a blurring effect prevalent in that line of reasoning which is fallacious.

In The History of Sexuality Foucault, himself a homosexual, identified homosexuality as a modern invention, i.e. the idea of homosexuality as a group in itself that is somehow distinct and conscious of itself. Prior to that there was never a question of whether homosexuality is a function of genetics or choice. It was simply not seen as being a fundamental part of the person, but instead as an action, a tendency, a behavior, something the person engaged in. In Foucault's words:

"Homosexuality appears as one of the forms of sexuality when it was transposed from the practice of sodomy onto a kind of interior androgyny, a hermaphroditism of the soul. The sodomite had been a temporary aberration; the homosexual was now a species."

[jgk3]

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That was an interesting explanation from Foucault, I think he's right, but I think sexuality in general makes more sense in terms of something we engage with, not something that determines what our existence is like (which all these arguments of nature vs. nurture seem to be designed for accomplishing).

To me, it seems like gay rights activism has nothing to do with sexuality to begin with, it's just another minority group that is trying to make things as comfortable for itself as possible. Short of "democracy" and not jailing you for being a dissenter, this movement would not have been feasible, so imo, it's not really about the freedom. In the big picture, it's just a matter of transforming the traditional mindset of an entire nation into something new, rewritten by activist minority groups who've been empowered by a central authority to do it's bidding, specifically with "cultural revolutions".

Sure, there's good that could come out of these things, some changes in perspective on things, for sure. But from what I've seen, we forget too many of the old morals and wisdom from former eras whenever we convince are selves that we are following a "progressive doctrine", and this is especially the case when an entire nation, more or less, conforms to such an idea.