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  • #41
    Re: Tolerance in Armenia

    You will find that "progression" is often a blanket term used in order to trick the masses that a new and "better" system is in place. When in fact it's just one form of hierarchical control replacing another; an evolution if you will.
    For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
    to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



    http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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    • #42
      Re: Tolerance in Armenia

      definitely so.

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      • #43
        Re: Tolerance in Armenia

        Environment definitely plays a part, but its mostly genetic. You would have to be in a pretty hardcore environment to change your natural sexual orientation, which is wired to have you attracted to the oppposite sex. Nature beats Nurture. There are a few exceptions, which make up this small percentage in the population. Some of you guys are speaking of homosexuality like its some "temptation" that all people have which can be easily manipulated by our environment. If you have those kind of temptations, you are probably a closeted homosexual. And if you don't have those temptations, that just proves its mostly genetic.

        And I don't advocate homosexuality, although it would leave more women for myself. But if someone is born like that, I can't find a good reason to suppress them just because of it.



        Originally posted by Armanen
        Humans like all creatures are meant to procreate and being gay obviously opposes that goal.
        Yes, which means naturally, the vast majority of people will be born straight.


        Originally posted by Armanen
        homosexuality may not be a national security threat but it certainly is a social threat, and I do not think any Armenian nationalist so be "ok" with it.
        I'm not "ok" with it in the sense that I think its "cool", "interesting" or "progressive" if someone is gay. I don't care what makes someone aroused in their spare time. If it happens to be men, then I tolerate it as long as its kept private and out of my sight. This goes for straight people too -- I don't need to see guys kissing and rubbing on their skank girlfriends in public, either. I view public sexual acts as indecent, sometimes uncivilized, depending on the degree. Whether its done by gays or straights is irrelevant.


        As for gay rights and nationalism, according to these criteria, smoking is a much bigger concern for nationalists than a few dozen homosexuals. Despite this, putting a ban on smoking never crosses our minds, even though a large proportion of Armenians smoke, but we always hear huge criticisms of homosexuality, which affects at most 2 or 3% of the population (probably less).


        Suppressing gays doesn't mean they will become straight, and allowing them equal rights doesn't mean straight people have a bigger chance of becoming gay. I don't see how we can come to that conclusion. If everyone is equal, then the most populous group (straight people) will continue to enforce their natural social norms without the government's help. We don't need government to do nature's work -- theres no point. Making homosexuality illegal only suppresses people -- then you end up with the Republican party of the USA.

        Also, if treating gays as equal would lead to extinction, all those Hellenistic states, including the whole Roman world, which not only tolerated homosexuality but viewed it as "normal", would not have existed. Gays are the least of our worries as a nation and society, and I say that with no doubts.



        Originally posted by Armanen
        You will find that "progression" is often a blanket term used in order to trick the masses that a new and "better" system is in place. When in fact it's just one form of hierarchical control replacing another; an evolution if you will.
        I agree. But hating gays or taking away their rights just turns society's focus away from issues which actually have an impact on our lives. Look at the U.S. elections -- gay issues get more time than the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and many other important issues. It works right into the hands of the elite.
        Last edited by ArmSurvival; 08-21-2008, 04:48 PM.

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        • #44
          Re: Tolerance in Armenia

          Originally posted by jgk3 View Post
          Is pushing for the genocide resolution the only thing diasporans should concern themselves with, in your opinion?

          No, given to armenian charities and a.t.p. But as for other armenian issues like calling your congressmen/senators for things like the closed borders, and all the new pipelines and rails that will go around instead of through armenia, is always harder for some reason than getting people to call about the genocide

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          • #45
            Re: Tolerance in Armenia

            so back onto the other part of the topic, as far as marrying a non armenian goes, it's pretty much accepted that it's a bad thing but worse if the non armenian is not white/tan, and worse if the armenian in the the couple is female. So why is it so bad if it's the woman doing the marrying, and as far as the kids go,i think that old adage of, "if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck..." If the kid speaks armenian, and is raised armenian in every way, does it matter if he doesn't look like the rest of the kids on the playground?

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            • #46
              Re: Tolerance in Armenia

              Originally posted by ArmSurvival
              I'm not "ok" with it in the sense that I think its "cool", "interesting" or "progressive" if someone is gay. I don't care what makes someone aroused in their spare time. If it happens to be men, then I tolerate it as long as its kept private and out of my sight. This goes for straight people too -- I don't need to see guys kissing and rubbing on their skank girlfriends in public, either. I view public sexual acts as indecent, sometimes uncivilized, depending on the degree. Whether its done by gays or straights is irrelevant.

              It seemed as if you were "ok" with it in your post, so thanks for clearing that up. I never said I really wanted to suppress gays, or I hate them, however I am tired of people (in the west) shoving down our throats the bs about acceptence, open mindedness, tolerence, etc. Homos can do their thing in private, but I don't want to see it in public, and I sure as hell don't want to see whole streets closed off for them so that they can parade around in leather underwear or whatnot. In an ideal world there would be no homosexuals, and many other things, but we do not live in an ideal world so I understand things like this happen and will happen, but I don't think that means we have to be acceptening of it, maybe tolerent like we are with taxes and other things in life, but NOT accepting of it.
              Last edited by Armanen; 08-22-2008, 12:52 PM.
              For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
              to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



              http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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              • #47
                Re: Tolerance in Armenia

                you mean ideal, not idle! Idle means standing still, not active, not working. It puts a different meaning: "In a (stand still) world, there would be no homosexuals" to what you intended to say with ideal.

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                • #48
                  Re: Tolerance in Armenia

                  I know, thanks for pointing it out.
                  For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                  to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



                  http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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                  • #49
                    Re: Tolerance in Armenia

                    Originally posted by Armanen
                    It seemed as if you were "ok" with it in your post, so thanks for clearing that up. I never said I really wanted to suppress gays, or I hate them, however I am tired of people (in the west) shoving down our throats the bs about acceptence, open mindedness, tolerence, etc. Homos can do their thing in private, but I don't want to see it in public, and I sure as hell don't want to see whole streets closed off for them so that they can parade around in leather underwear or whatnot. In an ideal world there would be no homosexuals, and many other things, but we do not live in an idle world so I understand things like this happen and will happen, but I don't think that means we have to be acceptening of it, maybe tolerent like we are with taxes and other things in life, but NOT accepting of it.

                    Yea I agree, we don't have to accept anything we don't like. As long as people can control themselves around others then they're free to do whatever they want in private as long as they don't hurt or bother anyone. This is Libertarianism in a nutshell.

                    But ya... I can do without the parades too.

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                    • #50
                      Re: Tolerance in Armenia

                      Originally posted by Dice View Post
                      ye if they are going to do what they do..since dont have kids and stuff might as well adopt

                      but then that raises the question what kind of kid will the kid turn out to be.
                      is a same-sex enviroment healthy for the kids psychology? will it make the kid want to/encourage the kid to be homosexual thus wasting more life?
                      Scientific research shows the children to be normal as frequently if not more frequently than if they were raised by heterosexuals.

                      Homophobic people tend to assume the worst with out any real empirical data upon which to base their ridiculous opinion.

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