Are Armenians white????

[Mos]

Re: Are Armenians white????

I think we can end this thread by saying:

Armenians, Iranians and Azerbaijanis, are a non-white people, with a small white minority.

That's pretty much, the truth after all.

No we can't. Armenians, Iranians, and Azeris are not the same people, get over it!!

Take a look at the http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml for some genetic differences.

There are some cultural and linguistic similarities, but that's natural because Armenians live in Caucasia which is near these ethnic groups, but that does equate to the people being the same. Remember, Iranians have mixed a lot with Semitic people especially Arabs. Armenians have mixed very little with Semitic people. You take a look at the Semitic haplogroup of Armenians and it's 0.

Armenians are Caucasians speaking an indo-European language, native to the Caucasian region and Armenian highlands, we are a mountain people, and we originate from these lands, even to our earliest ancestors. I don't care what Iranians or Azeris are, and no Iranian or certainly Turk has any right to say what Armenians are and aren't.

[levon]

Re: Are Armenians white????

I think we can end this thread by saying:

Armenians, Iranians and Azerbaijanis, are a non-white people, with a small white minority.

That's pretty much, the truth after all.

Why are you still posting here? It's already been shown that you have pro-Turkish sentiments, and still find every chance to try to chip away at the Armenian image?

[retro]

Re: Are Armenians white????

The Hurrians spoke an ergative-agglutinative language, conventionally called Hurrian, unrelated to neighboring Semitic or Indo-European languages, but clearly related to Urartian — a language spoken about a millennium later in northeastern Anatolia and Armenian mountains — and perhaps, distantly, to the present-day Northeast Caucasian languages. As such they are generally placed within the Hurro-Urartian group of languages. Some scholars relate the Hurrian language also to Georgian and its associated South Caucasian or Kartvelian languages. Similarities to Hurrian words have also been found in neighboring languages such as Armenian. It is believed by some scholars that the Hurrians arrived in the Caucasus around 2700 BCE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurrians

2700 BCE

Hurro-Urartian seemingly have links with ancient Caucasian/Mesopotamian languages and peoples. That predates the Armenians adoption of a Indo-European.

While ancient Armenian was similar to ancient Greek, modern Armenian is typologically closer to Turkish. Armenian language and culture having being greatly influenced by both cultures during different periods.

Which this tells us nothing of the origins of Indo-European Proto-Armenian. However since R1b is closely associated with Indo-European expansion. It's reasonable to assume that the Armen's where some kind of nomadic Iranic tribal group.

[ara87]

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Armenian's aren't white, but we aren't not white either (and yes grammar nerds, i do realize I just used a double negative)

I don't count myself as white, and in my immediate family I would only say my mother and brother were, though my dad and sister who are lighter than me count themselves as white to.

Throughout my entire extended family that I know of (only counting the 100% armos) I would say about the percentage of white is around 65-70%. Though, when I say white I don't mean like blond hair blue eyed skin as white as snow.

I just mean white skin tone, and generally brown hair, with lighter brown eyes. Though their are some red heads, and some with blue or hazel eyes.



It doesn't matter if Armenians are white or not though. People shouldn't think about race in genetic terms, but rather think about it as what nationality you are.

E.G. A white person from France is not the same as a white Person from Norway. A black person from Angola is not the same as a black person from Cameroon, or the USA. An Asian from China is not the same as someone from Korea or Japan

[Eddo211]

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2700 BCE

While ancient Armenian was similar to ancient Greek, modern Armenian is typologically closer to Turkish. Armenian language and culture having being greatly influenced by both cultures during different periods.
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Typologically (division of culture by races) has nothing to do with cultures/languages........and why you assume that it wasn’t the Armenians who influenced them instead of the other way around?.....never mind.

Armenian's aren't white, but we aren't not white either (and yes grammar nerds, i do realize I just used a double negative)...

It doesn't matter if Armenians are white or not though. People shouldn't think about race in genetic terms, but rather think about it as what nationality you are.

This about sums it up and this is why we call ourselves the Armenians.........nough said.

[hrai]

Re: Are Armenians white????

Typologically (division of culture by races) has nothing to do with cultures/languages........and why you assume that it wasn’t the Armenians who influenced them instead of the other way around?.....never mind.




This about sums it up and this is why we call ourselves the Armenians.........nough said.

The sad thing of this entire thread is that it is based on neo-nazi ideas about race, posted by a spawn of hitler.
Armenian is as Armenian is. turc is turc.

[retro]

Re: Are Armenians white????

Typologically (division of culture by races) has nothing to do with cultures/languages........and why you assume that it wasn’t the Armenians who influenced them instead of the other way around?.....never mind.

I am not reffering to race:

Linguistic typology is a subfield of linguistics that studies and classifies languages according to their structural features. Its aim is to describe and explain the common properties and the structural diversity of the world's languages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_typology

The Armenians and Asia Minor where under Greek domination, not the other way around.

[retro]

Re: Are Armenians white????

It doesn't matter if Armenians are white or not though. People shouldn't think about race in genetic terms, but rather think about it as what nationality you are.

I agree, however ethnic affiliations clearly bind people together on tribal lines far more than a common national culture. Anthropology is intresting and genetics can give clues, as to peoples origins and migration pattens.

With the exception of remote aboriginal peoples. The vast majority of modern Eurasian peoples are descended from early populations centres in India, Southwest Asia the Middle East or Eastern Africa. Indeed, even the Asians aren't originally from SE Asia and for the most part they emerged in Eastern Central and Southern Asia.

Haplogroup F

[jgk3]

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Typologically (division of culture by races) has nothing to do with cultures/languages........and why you assume that it wasn’t the Armenians who influenced them instead of the other way around?.....never mind.

When we use the phrasal suffix "-ne" instead of Armenian "yete" to say 'if'
When we say hetch/hitch instead of votch inch to say 'nothing'

Well, it becomes clear how bilingual Armenians had become under the Ottoman yoke, to the point where the only instance of hearing "yete" or "votch inch" could've been in church, if you were lucky enough to have a well educated priest.

I'm sure Turkish also received several loanwords based from an Armenian source too, I'd like to look at studies on this, and perhaps learn other Turkic languages, including their ancient ones, to have some kind of built in standard in myself that can raise a red flag on the non-european, non-arabic and non-iranian borrowings in their language.

[Runner]

Re: Are Armenians white????

Mos, yes vstah em et eshi tgha Azar@ ekela ste vor mez vra inch vor dzev azdi. Yes 100% vstah em ete menk hayeren sksenk stegh khosal et bolor trqi tsnundner@ mi jamank heto klqen mez.