Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

[hrai]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Obviously not all women fall into that category I describe, but many do. Those that don't are the rarities of rarities.

In my insignificant life, having been raised in a very traditional and by modern standards ("old world") Armenian family with "old world" Armenian values, I find that most women with whom I interact with I could never have a serious relationship for precisely those reasons. [B]The sad part is, many of the Armenian women are what I am referring too. If I ask myself: "Can I see this woman as being a wife?" or "Do I see her as being a mother?" My answer to both questions is a negative.[B]

That's truly sad and unfortunately will become more widespread as time goes by. This general erosion of standards, many facets and aspects of life being reduced down to the lowest common denominator, I consider to be the "Drive Through Lifestyle". Little respect for anyone, low standards, short attention spans and disposable values.

[Sako]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Quote:Originally Posted by Saco
I think it's time I step in. Listen Kattie, first off, I'm a pure Armenian brother born here in Armenia. I've lived in India for ten years, in America for five, and another five here in Armenia so I've met almost every type of person in my life and I understand your confusion and/or way of thinking. I've answered these types of questions on more occasions then I can remember but I'll try to keep this short.

I don't know where you get your views from but their wrong mostly. In certain respects, your right, Armenian women aren't American girls (thank God) but they aren't what you think they are either.

Don't we all love a modest Armo paternalizing us and showing us the right direction? Thank you for "keeping in short".

What's up with you? I keep things simple and talk normally with you and you suddenly get all sarcastic, lol. I don't base what I say on mere ideas, Kattie. I said what I said because you live in the US I take it and it seemed like you got your views after seeing the Armenian girls there. I didn't mean to "show you the right direction". I have more important things to do.

So you think that women with charms have no boundaries? You have a real distorted and sad perception of certain aspects of life.

Not in the states and in many other countries......

You misunderstand me, Kattie. AGAIN.

Quote:Originally Posted by Saco
They don't get down with every guy around the block, they don't have hundreds of "boyfriends", they don't dis their families, etc. In America, girls go with the "I'm free, I can do whatever the xxxx I want" way of life and that's why, you can see ten year olds having sex around the corner and then going to school and letting their classmates know how "cool" it felt. Armenian girls have standards. Armenian girls have boundaries. That doesn't make them oppressed. That makes them more appealing, more respectful, and more of a women then a xxxxx. I'm not saying all our girls are perfect, there are women that feel down and are disrespected or don't act right at times but you can see this in every country.

First of all, charming has nothing to do with "getting down with every guy around the block". Second of all, you're understanding of what I've meant is not even close enough.

Well then why don't you break down your question a bit and allow us to understand what your saying? Who are you talking about? What is it you want to know? Where do you get your views from? These are some of the questions I'd like you to answer if you don't mind.

Many go to Armenia to find a bride with the hope of finding a more obedient woman, not for their charms.

And how would you know?!?!?

A woman can be attractive, have a good taste, be well behaved yet lack charms.

So wait a minute, your saying our girls don't have "charms" and are raised in a wrong way?

Some are being open minded, but it is true that some have reacted as if I was vilifying Armenian women, when my intent is to remind that Armenian women are being the victims

Whose victims? We're not saying that all Armenian girls live perfect lives (as if girls from other places do) but you put a special emphasis on our girls and I want to know where you get your views!

I think Saco is aged 20, btw.

And your just a cat, btw!

I would simply add that many Armenians have stopped the clock in 1915 as if Armenian values and traditions wouldn't have changed and evolved if the genocide did not happen.

Things wouldn't have changed as drastically. I suggest you look at the bigger picture, Kattie. You talk of the Genocide as if it wasn't much. It stopped almost everything... You have the wrong idea.

Obviously not all women fall into that category I describe, but many do. Those that don't are the rarities of rarities.

In my insignificant life, having been raised in a very traditional and by modern standards ("old world") Armenian family with "old world" Armenian values, I find that most women with whom I interact with I could never have a serious relationship for precisely those reasons. The sad part is, many of the Armenian women are what I am referring too. If I ask myself: "Can I see this woman as being a wife?" or "Do I see her as being a mother?" My answer to both questions is a negative.

I completely understand what your saying. I've found myself in that situation many times. I'm still glad that I was raised in a family with "old world" Armenian values.

[iFemale]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

And how would you know?!?!?

Amen.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

The "American" woman image and American culture in general was created to assimilate race, create poverty, and raise an army of little welfare soldiers. I think it's sad the way women are being exploited in the media and the "American" woman is being glorified. America on it's own is an impotent country, it's the "traditional" and "old world" immigrant families that keep the country afloat.

I don't think that Armenian women are handicapped because of their upbringing, I think the handicap comes from rebeling against their upbringing and trying too hard to fit into the social circles in their schools and communities. It's a symptom of assimilation.

[Haykakan]

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I think this is a great topic and i applaud Kattie for bringing this subject up. A women's charm is a part of her sexuality and it is very much oppressed by most Armenian parents. Instead of discussing sexuality many parents will just say you should't act like that. By no means is this true for all Armenian women but generally speaking charming, flirting or anything sexual in nature is discouraged in most Armenian girls by their parents. This is by no means a Armenian problem and exists in many other cultures.Women in general have a delicate balancing act to play. Men want their women to be a lady outside and a freak in bed but it can be difficult for a women to be both. Discussing sexuality at the appropriate time with your child is the safest and healthiest way to raise a sexually enabled women and keeping her safe from the possible negative implications of sex (ie. unwanted pregnancy,std....). Sex,charm, flirting... are not bad things and it should not be a taboo to discuss them especially with your children.

[jgk3]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

I agree Haykakan.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

I think this is a great topic and i applaud Kattie for bringing this subject up. A women's charm is a part of her sexuality and it is very much oppressed by most Armenian parents. Instead of discussing sexuality many parents will just say you should't act like that. By no means is this true for all Armenian women but generally speaking charming, flirting or anything sexual in nature is discouraged in most Armenian girls by their parents. This is by no means a Armenian problem and exists in many other cultures.Women in general have a delicate balancing act to play. Men want their women to be a lady outside and a freak in bed but it can be difficult for a women to be both. Discussing sexuality at the appropriate time with your child is the safest and healthiest way to raise a sexually enabled women and keeping her safe from the possible negative implications of sex (ie. unwanted pregnancy,std....). Sex,charm, flirting... are not bad things and it should not be a taboo to discuss them especially with your children.

Women get many of their attributes from their mothers.... that's like saying their father didn't find his wife attractive or charming or sexual. It has nothing to do with the "Armenian" upbringing.

[Haykakan]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Women get many of their attributes from their mothers.... that's like saying their father didn't find their wife attractive or charming or sexual. It has nothing to do with the "Armenian" upbringing.

These attributes (charm,sexuality..) are not automatically handed down like genes, they are learned through observation. Parents hide much of the sencual side of their relationship from their childeren and are always worried about the child having sex and getting into trouble. Openly discussing these issues allowes the child to have a healther perspective on the subject and not be as vulnerable to myths and misconseptions regarding it.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

These attributes (charm,sexuality..) are not automatically handed down like genes, they are learned through observation. Parents hide much of the sencual side of their relationship from their childeren and are always worried about the child having sex and getting into trouble. Openly discussing these issues allowes the child to have a healther perspective on the subject and not be as vulnerable to myths and misconseptions regarding it.

According to your statement, I shouldn't be here today since my mother, grandmother and great grandmother were oppressed due to their Armenian upbringing and weren't suited to be wives or mothers.... yet they were excellent at being both. I don't know about you, but either there is something greatly wrong with your logic or the way you perceive society as a whole.

So the evolutionist agrees sexuality is observed behaviour and there is no "gay" gene. Interesting.

Oh, and children aren't dumb, they know when they are raised in a good marriage or a bad marriage... once they become of age, they realize why they spent so much time over at grandma's on weekends.

[Haykakan]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

According to your statement, I shouldn't be here today since my mother, grandmother and great grandmother were oppressed due to their Armenian upbringing and weren't suited to be wives or mothers.... yet they were excellent at being both. I don't know about you, but either there is something greatly wrong with your logic or the way you perceive society as a whole.

So the evolutionist agrees sexuality is observed behaviour and there is no "gay" gene. Interesting.

Look man i told you before go get educated and then we can talk. You are debating a person who has a degree in psychology from the University of Michigan and a strong background in other fields not to mention a ton more life experience then you. And it is not evolutionists who say that much of human sexuality is learned it is behavioral specialists and researchers who say it, and yeh most of them like other educated people believe in evolution.