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Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

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  • #211
    Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
    "I guess my comments above was an outbrust and anger towards our society's "double standard" that choose to give cart blanche to the men to cohabitate with as many women as they want before and after a marriage, then if a girl just flirts a little they "name call" her and say bad things about her and label her like she is sent from hell. It's very unjust and the "double standard" and the "unfairness" makes me throw up quite frankly"

    Feels good to get it out doesn't it?

    Ok, I'm getting a little tired of words like "our society" getting tossed around when it's NOT OUR SOCIETY. We've been hijacked by powers that don't want us (Armenians) to survive and as long as we sit here and pretend that 2 wrongs will make a right we will continue this cycle of misery.
    Unfortunately but it's a true statement. Today we have a country; but many from the Diaspora don't want to go there because they have settled here in the Diaspora and don't want to change their standard of living or it became a habit or whatever. On the other hand, you go to Armenia and the government doesn't put an end to the corruption... so you'll come across in the middle of our capital a certain radius that the rich people live in; but the rest of the country is very poor and they hardly survive. I mean I wish to draw or see a prettier picture but when the truth hits me on the face, I cannot, how can I?

    I can go on about this topic but this isn't the place for it. Perhaps in another thread later.

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    • #212
      Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

      Shenorhagal em Lucin jan.

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      • #213
        Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

        I think Armenian men are far more handicapped then Armenian women. The women have to put up with us. Haha.
        Between childhood, boyhood,
        adolescence
        & manhood (maturity) there
        should be sharp lines drawn w/
        Tests, deaths, feats, rites
        stories, songs & judgements

        - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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        • #214
          Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

          Originally posted by freakyfreaky View Post
          I think Armenian men are far more handicapped then Armenian women. The women have to put up with us. Haha.
          It's funny ha? Yeah we do have to put up with you... sheesh!

          We can't live with them and we can't live without them!!!

          If you're good though it's more than pleasure; but make sure it is good dears!
          Last edited by Anoush; 05-12-2009, 04:34 PM.

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          • #215
            Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

            Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
            Some of us are working on raising angels... so while some sit around waiting for the world to change, others are making it happen.
            Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
            Hey, we'll let you women battle that out amongst your selves, but I'll be routing for the flawless, charming, pretty sweet angels, lol.

            And you know society is forcing those characteristics to be oppressed so the only people that are willing to speak their mind are those willing to defend those characteristics in this thread

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            • #216
              Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

              Originally posted by iFemale View Post
              Don't give me that look... lol
              "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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              • #217
                Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

                Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
                Men may have different perception of women’s charm but I would say that women’s femininity is their biggest weapon against man…………..from being a lady in the board room to a tigress in the bedroom which can be used to seduce both socially and sexually.
                Yes. Or vice versa i.e. a tigress in the board who inspires respect and feminine in intimate moments, depending on her nature.

                Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
                Men love strong but yet soft feminine women. I believe women should heighten their sensuality as much as they can (ex: wearing a red laced demi-bra with matching thong under your work clothes) even though nobody knows what they are wearing………….but what happens is that the woman will feel/act sexy and her sexiness will ooze out of every pore of her body and that is picked up unconsciously by men. Acting classy, the walk, being gracious, considered, spunky, kind, thoughtful, flirty, bright colors, and turning men down nicely and sweetly.
                Are KanadaHye, gegev....exceptions?
                KanadaHye thinks that women who can charm are dumb, gegev thinks:
                Originally posted by gegev View Post
                Being obedient Armenian women play very important role in the family they are, in fact, the shadow Commander in Chief
                I love the "Commander in Chief" part.

                Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
                Do woman use charm deliberately to manipulate men? Yes, many do but not all. Manipulation comes from the mind where charm comes from the heart.
                I really like "Manipulation comes from the mind where charm comes from the heart." Thanks!
                It nicely "summarizes" the second and third of my description of what is charming:
                "Second of all, I would distinguish it from what can be considered as a responsibility or compliance to a certain code/etiquette. For instance, little girls want to put on pretty dresses because they want to be a princess and charm, older women put on pretty dresses because it is proper. The dream is gone.
                Another example is when Armenians put a pretty dress because it's "shnorkov", the purpose is not to charm but to comply. Of course, the two are not mutually exclusive.

                Third of all, I would distinguish it from acting i.e. forcing oneself to do what people consider as charming, so it has to be naturally part of you. I have in mind women who force themselves to act in certain way just or wear a certain type of clothes/underwear just because they believe that their partner would enjoy it. Of course, if the woman genuinely enjoys how the clothes/underwear feel/look on her body then it's not acting, and she will wear them differently, with style."

                Originally posted by Lucin View Post
                LOL, that was a very looong explanation but thanks.
                I know. I just wanted to make sure that it was long enough so nobody will miss it, but despite all someone missed it.

                Originally posted by Lucin View Post
                The thing is that whenever I see a 'discussion' (I can't even call it a discussion) about women ( in particular Armenian women) especially on this forum (or elsewhere) you hear nothing but some sweet words about how our women are flawless, charming, pretty and sweet angels… at times I feel that the person saying that is actually referring to herself, lol. Take this thread for instance. Now, I'm not saying that there are no such women with those characteristic amongst us but it'd be really good if we sometimes were more open, self-aware, conscious, self-critical and less self-absorbed and self-assured…
                That is true and it is a shame because in the long term it will work against us, and that is a handicap. Yes, Armenian women need to work a bit harder, but I continue to blame the community for being overly repressive. Charming is like playing an instrument or speaking a language, if you don't or re not allowed to practice it, you lose it instead of improving yourself.

                Originally posted by Lucin View Post
                So some are not 'repressed', they simply do not have that thing called charm.
                Isn't femininity a bit hormonal, a bit cultural?
                Maybe they don't have it or have it to a lesser degree or are not interested in developing it like the tomboys that you've mentioned.

                Originally posted by Lucin View Post
                There is something in tomboys that can't be tamed but I don't know why they're trying to hide their femininity, or their female organs. Maybe it's been unique to tomboys I've known but I've noticed that they were not quite comfortable with their chest, one of the most feminine body parts.
                Why did they want to hide their chest? Yes, one of the most feminine body parts, the most feminine in my book.
                The tomboys that I had in mind did not hide their feminine side, actually they could be so sensual and graceful without being too soft.
                Last edited by Kattie; 05-12-2009, 07:27 PM.

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                • #218
                  Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

                  Originally posted by Kattie View Post
                  Are KanadaHye, gegev....exceptions?
                  KanadaHye thinks that women who can charm are dumb
                  LOL, that was sarcasm!!!

                  Originally posted by Kattie View Post
                  Why did they want to hide their chest? Yes, one of the most feminine body parts, the most feminine in my book.
                  We must be reading the same book... lol.
                  "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                  • #219
                    Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

                    Originally posted by Kattie View Post
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                    Isn't femininity a bit hormonal, a bit cultural?
                    .
                    Neither hormonal nor cultural I'm affraid.

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                    • #220
                      Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

                      Originally posted by meline View Post
                      Neither hormonal nor cultural I'm affraid.
                      Think it's psychological...
                      "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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