Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Sorry bro, I can't agree with you here ! Every part of life has it's beauty and marriage is a very beautiful but serious part of it. It has it's problems (naturally) but I wouldn't say you aren't free after marriage...you just have to be more responsible. And something we should remember I think is that whether we believe in free will or not, we will never be really free in this world. We aren't here to be Free Willy, lol, if you get my drift.

Bottom line ... Marriage is a whole new world ...... it's just how you perceive it!

LOL, Saco what I mean is you should never feel like you're trapped, in debt to your marriage.... stuck in one job for the rest of your life... never really learning anything past school. Generally I think this is what happens to many people in American culture because they care more about material possessions than their own freedom. And that isn't my culture.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

I urge everyone following this thread to read the thread I posted about the life of Atom Egoyan and how he struggled to deal with assimilation.

http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php?t=16723

[Kattie]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

I agree. I've seen it happen with my nieces who went from lively and playful to extremely serious and almost dull because their parents kept repressing what you call a woman's "natural inclination to charm". It was sad to watch it happen.

Did you do anything to change the situation? Would you care to tell us more? Thanks.

Foul!
That was below the belt!~

"A criminal is frequently no equal to his deed: he makes it smaller and slanders it." (Nietzsche)
I will admit my crime instead of belittling my deed by trying to hide behind justifications.

I hesitated for a while but some think that "...the just argument against a stupid head is a clenched fist." (Nietzsche)
I just hope that he got the message.

Wait a minute are you implying………………This reminds me of that crazy old man that used to tell me. “Those were the days my boy when men were men and the sheep were scared” hahahaha

No, it did not cross my mind. Have you watched "Padre Padrone"?

Lass, if ye read what I said, I was merely saying that you find this amongst non Armenians and drew a parrellel, I did not mean to insult you and there was no need to get defensive, although I am flattered that you read my previous posts to see how many Armenians I do know, gracias for that btw

I guess I just couldn't see the reason behind the rudeness, I did not mean to offend you if you think that was my intention

First of all, what gave you the impression that I've "read your previous posts to see how many Armenians you know"? You said it in your post that you have "never met many Armenians in real life"

Second of all, I don't see anything "defensive" or "rude" in noticing the awkwardness of a situation where someone who EXPLICITLY says that he has "never met many Armenians in real life" is explaining to an Armenian woman how Armenian women are.

Third of all, in the context of your post, what is "defensive" or "rude" in:

"Charms and docility do not always go together, there are non-docile females who are masculine and lack charms, and there are outspoken, independent minded females with plenty of charms.

I said "not all cultures". I don't consider Arabs as a reference when it come to charms and open mindedness, but I can appreciate the refinements and role of geishas in traditional Japanese culture.

First of all, all is relative. Second of all, I said "not all cultures". Most of all, does domestic violence in other cultures justify the situation?"

I'm sorry if that's how you perceived it.

My point is is that you will find this all over, women have been treated like crap worldwide, it isn't just amongst Armenians, you find it in Mexico, Asia, Africa, even the "heart of Moral decency" Europe, I agree it is a terrible issue and people seriously need to give more rights towards women, men to a large part are to blame, this is true of any society that has a lot of patriarchy which is found in most modern day societies

she forgets that all the things she points out aren't exclusive to Armenians, but in patriarchical societies in general, we actually are having a similar discussion now at Chicano.org for a few months now (Machismo, good or bad for culture)

The point I am trying to make is alot of it isn't due to Armenian women, or Mexican women, or Irish women, or Greek women or Muslim women or whatever, its more to do with the fact that alot of men are to blame, and have been pretty much oppressing women for years

Both question were already addressed several times, please read the thread because it's not productive to repeatedly answer the same questions. Sisyphus is not my ideal. Thanks for understanding. The last time was yesterday in my reply to Lucin.
I appreciate your participation but can we please go beyond repeating widely accepted commonplaces that are not even questioned?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Poor Pedro.... just when he thought Armenian women were something to be desired, Kattie shows up and shatters his dreams... LOL.

[Sako]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Poor Pedro.... just when he thought Armenian women were something to be desired, Kattie shows up and shatters his dreams... LOL.

Don't worry, nothings shattered. Kattie just lost a great guy because of her uncharming ways, lol !

LOL, Saco what I mean is you should never feel like you're trapped, in debt to your marriage.... stuck in one job for the rest of your life... never really learning anything past school. Generally I think this is what happens to many people in American culture because they care more about material possessions than their own freedom. And that isn't my culture.

This I completely agree with, no doubts there. Good call, Kanada.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Did you do anything to change the situation? Would you care to tell us more? Thanks.


"A criminal is frequently no equal to his deed: he makes it smaller and slanders it." (Nietzsche)
I will admit my crime instead of belittling my deed by trying to hide behind justifications.

I hesitated for a while but some think that "...the just argument against a stupid head is a clenched fist." (Nietzsche)
I just hope that he got the message.


No, it did not cross my mind. Have you watched "Padre Padrone"?


First of all, what gave you the impression that I've "read your previous posts to see how many Armenians you know"? You said it in your post that you have "never met many Armenians in real life"

Second of all, I don't see anything "defensive" or "rude" in noticing the awkwardness of a situation where someone who EXPLICITLY says that he has "never met many Armenians in real life" is explaining to an Armenian woman how Armenian women are.

Third of all, in the context of your post, what is "defensive" or "rude" in:

"Charms and docility do not always go together, there are non-docile females who are masculine and lack charms, and there are outspoken, independent minded females with plenty of charms.

I said "not all cultures". I don't consider Arabs as a reference when it come to charms and open mindedness, but I can appreciate the refinements and role of geishas in traditional Japanese culture.

First of all, all is relative. Second of all, I said "not all cultures". Most of all, does domestic violence in other cultures justify the situation?"

I'm sorry if that's how you perceived it.



Both question were already addressed several times, please read the thread because it's not productive to repeatedly answer the same questions. Sisyphus is not my ideal. Thanks for understanding. The last time was yesterday in my reply to Lucin.
I appreciate your participation but can we please go beyond repeating widely accepted commonplaces that are not even questioned?

Kattie...I am suprised, I am posivetely piddling with joy at the prospect of much more ponderous proceeds to ponder your poignant questions, I am overjoyed and not dismayed, I am overworked and underpaid,

Okay, here is the thing, you got kinda defensive with me, like I was attacking you, that was not my intention, I keep bringing up my point, but ye seem to equivocate knowledge of such bearings in succint summary of the pertaining questions

I state again (and again, and again), men are to a large part to blame, by your own admission and volition, you have said that men expect certain things of women, in this case Armenian men of Armenian women, once again I reiterate that men in general are to blame, you have given us much to think about...now how about a solution, come gives us your views, all this is becoming is personal attacks based on disagreements by all parties involved

As to reading my previous posts...I hoped you did, I hoped somebody did, now I can't feel egotistically superior (

Now, however, I am will take the part a man learning priesthood, and question things because I am human, Kattie raises some points here, our ancestors irrespective of ethnicity had more conservative ideas, people thought differently back then, we cannot use that as a standard to base modern women on, long ago many societies differed, not all were patriarchical, alot of women had more respect than later, what changed this, why did it change?

Women are in general in alot of conservative socities expected to be timid, docile vigins until their marriage, meanwhile the men can sow their wild oats and its seen as allright?

Why that double standard, why is a woman a xxxx of she screws around but a man isn't, alot of people here have said stuff like "date an American girl and screw around, then find a rural Armenian girl to marry as she will be quiet and docile", what if a woman said that "lets screw a few guys and then find a quite timid dude to settle with", how would everyone react

Posts like "Love is not important in marriage", if you don't feel love why the F are you getting married? How do girl feel who you have BS'd and told you love just to get in their panties and sow your juices on

why double standards, sorry if I am offending anyone here, but I have thought of some of what she said and I disagree with some, but with other things she has a point

I digress though, my point stands that in any society, men have alot of guilt in this

[Sako]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

As to reading my previous posts...I hoped you did, I hoped somebody did, now I can't feel egotistically superior

Everyone read your posts bro, don't worry .... other then miss charming of course !

[Eddo211]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Men may have different perception of women’s charm but I would say that women’s femininity is their biggest weapon against man…………..from being a lady in the board room to a tigress in the bedroom which can be used to seduce both socially and sexually.

Men love strong but yet soft feminine women. I believe women should heighten their sensuality as much as they can (ex: wearing a red laced demi-bra with matching thong under your work clothes) even though nobody knows what they are wearing………….but what happens is that the woman will feel/act sexy and her sexiness will ooze out of every pore of her body and that is picked up unconsciously by men. Acting classy, the walk, being gracious, considered, spunky, kind, thoughtful, flirty, bright colors, and turning men down nicely and sweetly.

Do woman use charm deliberately to manipulate men? Yes, many do but not all. Manipulation comes from the mind where charm comes from the heart.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Men may have different perception of women’s charm but I would say that women’s femininity is their biggest weapon against man…………..from being a lady in the board room to a tigress in the bedroom which can be used to seduce both socially and sexually.

Men love strong but yet soft feminine women. I believe women should heighten their sensuality as much as they can (ex: wearing a red laced demi-bra with matching thong under your work clothes) even though nobody knows what they are wearing………….but what happens is that the woman will feel/act sexy and her sexiness will ooze out of every pore of her body and that is picked up unconsciously by men. Acting classy, the walk, being gracious, considered, spunky, kind, thoughtful, flirty, bright colors, and turning men down nicely and sweetly.

Do woman use charm deliberately to manipulate men? Yes, many do but not all. Manipulation comes from the mind where charm comes from the heart.

You should write for Cosmo...

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Now, however, I am will take the part a man learning priesthood, and question things because I am human, Kattie raises some points here, our ancestors irrespective of ethnicity had more conservative ideas, people thought differently back then, we cannot use that as a standard to base modern women on, long ago many societies differed, not all were patriarchical, alot of women had more respect than later, what changed this, why did it change?

TV, Movies, Internet, Hollywood.... Pop culture

Women are in general in alot of conservative socities expected to be timid, docile vigins until their marriage, meanwhile the men can sow their wild oats and its seen as allright?

I think this comes from the culture of a warrior where before going into battle, the man would experience being with a woman before he enters a conflict that might end his life. And those who returned alive would come back to raise families.

Why that double standard, why is a woman a xxxx of she screws around but a man isn't, alot of people here have said stuff like "date an American girl and screw around, then find a rural Armenian girl to marry as she will be quiet and docile", what if a woman said that "lets screw a few guys and then find a quite timid dude to settle with", how would everyone react

If you think a woman with discipline and self esteem is quiet and docile... I can show you a couple Armenian women that would beat you down to the last inch of your life if you laid a hand on them And yes, otherwise they can be quite charming

Posts like "Love is not important in marriage", if you don't feel love why the F are you getting married? How do girl feel who you have BS'd and told you love just to get in their panties and sow your juices on

Good question.... please see the "what is love" thread since nobody has found an answer to that question yet.