Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Apparently the Turks forgot to cleanse this one out of our gene pool.... I'm done with this. Feminism at its best. Charming isn't it?

mmm, I don't think its fair to knock feminism in general, feminism started in a time where women were not allowed to vote, had to marry, could not work, etc,
feminism raises many issues in that fact that in many parts of the world men are legally allowed to rape their women if a woman did not give it up to them for four days

She raises very good points, but she forgets that all the things she points out aren't exclusive to Armenians, but in patriarchical societies in general, we actually are having a similar discussion now at Chicano.org for a few months now (Machismo, good or bad for culture)

The point I am trying to make is alot of it isn't due to Armenian women, or Mexican women, or Irish women, or Greek women or Muslim women or whatever, its more to do with the fact that alot of men are to blame, and have been pretty much oppressing women for years

Just my opinion, now off to reply to a long ass letter from certain people here lol

[Haykakan]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

"What we’re talking about right now I believe is a problem that this entire world faces, not just our people!"
Thats what i have been saying all along Saco but you still percieve my comments as being somehow antiarmenian.
"I’ve never been to a more materialistic nation then the US."
Unfortunatly this is the lifestyle that is spreading throughout the world including Armenia.Besides the fact that it is unsustainable, it also degenerates humanity into nothing more then money chasing beings who value nothing higher.
" some respects, yes, they have to be your children but all that is very irrelevant to what we’re talking about in this thread!"
Saco jan believe me personal experience is very relavent to this thread and jubject.

BTW HAPPY MOTHERS DAY TO ALL MOTHERS!!!!!

[Haykakan]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

mmm, I don't think its fair to knock feminism in general, feminism started in a time where women were not allowed to vote, had to marry, could not work, etc,
feminism raises many issues in that fact that in many parts of the world men are legally allowed to rape their women if a woman did not give it up to them for four days

She raises very good points, but she forgets that all the things she points out aren't exclusive to Armenians, but in patriarchical societies in general, we actually are having a similar discussion now at Chicano.org for a few months now (Machismo, good or bad for culture)

The point I am trying to make is alot of it isn't due to Armenian women, or Mexican women, or Irish women, or Greek women or Muslim women or whatever, its more to do with the fact that alot of men are to blame, and have been pretty much oppressing women for years

Just my opinion, now off to reply to a long ass letter from certain people here lol

Your point is right on! This problem is not uniquly armenian but it is a problem which should be dealt with.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

mmm, I don't think its fair to knock feminism in general, feminism started in a time where women were not allowed to vote, had to marry, could not work, etc,
feminism raises many issues in that fact that in many parts of the world men are legally allowed to rape their women if a woman did not give it up to them for four days

You know, I find this funny because feminism started in the US, UK and France and somehow we all got sucked into it as if all men were guilty!! As you can see, Kattie is blind to everything we type and just keeps pushing her agenda. I'm talking about REAL world problems that I observe in the Armenian community and she is just going on about her blah, blah, blah.

Saco jan believe me personal experience is very relavent to this thread and subject.

Do you need to be a psycho to be a psychologist? Do you need to have experienced sickness and disease to be a doctor?

You'd be suprised how much more you can learn looking from outside in rather than being on the inside.

And where are these feminists now? Go try to find a job and stop your house from being foreclosed and your kids getting tossed out on the street.

Where I thought Kanada had an insight on this issue, was the effects of assimilation, which cannot be dismissed.Unfortunately he didn't follow up on his initial idea, whether that was just shooting in the dark or not I don't know, but rereading his cumulative posts on this thread, I have to admit that's a strong possibility at this point.

There is no point in following up on this because somebody isn't paying attention.

She raises very good points, but she forgets that all the things she points out aren't exclusive to Armenians, but in patriarchical societies in general, we actually are having a similar discussion now at Chicano.org for a few months now (Machismo, good or bad for culture)

England has had a QUEEN for a very long time, maybe it's time for a KING to be the forefront of society.

[Sako]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Thats what i have been saying all along Saco but you still percieve my comments as being somehow antiarmenian.

I'm not saying your antiarmenian but don't try to hide the fact that this conversation was going in a very different direction a few pages back. It's only now that we're looking at the bigger picture. Before, I constantly kept hearing people blaming our traditional upbringing and running off without properly backing up they're claims. I don't like that, Haykakan. I feel that's dissing our traditions and perhaps indirectly ... our people and country as well. No one, till now, answered my question.

What Armenian tradition(s) has spoiled our girls?

Unfortunatly this is the lifestyle that is spreading throughout the world including Armenia.Besides the fact that it is unsustainable, it also degenerates humanity into nothing more then money chasing beings who value nothing higher.

That's why we should be thanking our traditions and parents...

Saco jan believe me personal experience is very relavent to this thread and jubject.

So what are you suggesting, that Kanada and I have no experience? What makes you so sure?

Your point is right on! This problem is not uniquly armenian but it is a problem which should be dealt with.

That's not how this thread started off!

Do you need to be a psycho to be a psychologist? Do you need to have experienced sickness and disease to be a doctor?
You'd be suprised how much more you can learn looking from outside in rather than being on the inside.

...Exactly what I've been saying in almost all my posts. You can't ignore this, Haykakan. Somehow, in almost all your posts, you seem to make us look like kids without any experience and I don't see why. So far, we haven't said anything irregular. Fact is, this thread started going in the direction its going in after me, Kanada, and a few others started stating continuously that this is a worldwide issue ... not just an Armenian one. We were being denied on many occasions and now suddenly everyone talks as if that never happened!

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

So what are you suggesting, that Kanada and I have no experience? What makes you so sure?

From what I have found, people tend to stop experiencing the world after they are married, and not before.... the only thing that changes after marriage is your freedom... and as a believer in free will, it shouldn't be that way.

"Freedom comes from knowledge and proper behavior. We’re here to learn, aren’t we? And the only reason people call our traditions “old” and our people “old minded” is because they don’t have any standards. It’s not us that need to change…"~Saco
Quoted for truth

[Gavur]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

From what I have found, people tend to stop experiencing the world after they are married, and not before.... the only thing that changes after marriage is your freedom... and as a believer in free will, it shouldn't be that way.

Ohh kanada,your guessing again!
I hope you will be lucky enough to know one day.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Ohh kanada,your guessing again!
I hope you will be lucky enough to know one day.

I think you're guessing on what I was referring to!!! Unless you're independently wealthy of course.... why haven't so many Americans seen anything outside of their little world? Saco at his young age has seen more of the world than so called "rich" and "wealthy" Americans can even imagine exists.

Their culture traps them, never allowing them the freedom to experience the world.

[Sako]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

From what I have found, people tend to stop experiencing the world after they are married, and not before.... the only thing that changes after marriage is your freedom... and as a believer in free will, it shouldn't be that way.

Sorry bro, I can't agree with you here ! Every part of life has it's beauty and marriage is a very beautiful but serious part of it. It has it's problems (naturally) but I wouldn't say you aren't free after marriage...you just have to be more responsible. And something we should remember I think is that whether we believe in free will or not, we will never be really free in this world. We aren't here to be Free Willy, lol, if you get my drift.

Bottom line ... Marriage is a whole new world ...... it's just how you perceive it!

[Sako]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Saco at his young age has seen more of the world than so called "rich" and "wealthy" Americans can even imagine exists.

I am only humbled by your words, Kanada ! There is still tons to learn though. I even learned a lot from this thread. Thanks a lot everyone.

Their culture traps them, never allowing them the freedom to experience the world.

Exactly. They think they have freedom. What they don't understand is that it's that EXACT same "freedom" that binds their hands further. It's upside down. Imagine quicksand. The more you struggle, the more it sucks you in! The US is something very similar.