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  • Armenia stands today because of Iran?

    this may sound stupid but just read some history
    after ottoman empire captured whole of armenia(armenia was part of iran or better to say was vassal) iran tried to get those lands back and was able to get half of it back(eastern armenia and karabakhand today azerbaijan) later the war between ottoman empire and iran weakens iran badly and the king of iran was a weak person as well.
    after some time russia get these lands from iran(eastern armenia and karabakh and today azerbaijan)
    this was the matter that created "east armenia" and "west armenia".actually it wasnt exist before this
    i think this happened during qajar dynasty? im not sure but iran was very weak when it was ruled by turks and qajar was a turk dynasty
    by the way iran was the only neighbor that ottoman empire couldnt capture and couldnt hold the captured lands for more than a year.thank goodness that there was no relation between iran and ottoman empire!
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    Re: armenia stands today because of iran?

    Originally posted by Parskahay View Post
    this may sound stupid but just read some history
    after ottoman empire captured whole of armenia(armenia was part of iran or better to say was vassal) iran tried to get those lands back and was able to get half of it back(eastern armenia and karabakhand today azerbaijan) later the war between ottoman empire and iran weakens iran badly and the king of iran was a weak person as well.
    after some time russia get these lands from iran(eastern armenia and karabakh and today azerbaijan)
    this was the matter that created "east armenia" and "west armenia".actually it wasnt exist before this
    i think this happened during qajar dynasty? im not sure but iran was very weak when it was ruled by turks and qajar was a turk dynasty
    by the way iran was the only neighbor that ottoman empire couldnt capture and couldnt hold the captured lands for more than a year.thank goodness that there was no relation between iran and ottoman empire!
    I don’t argue much on your point … But in terms of economy: Iran is the major, real, contributor of Armenia’s economic development now.
    Last edited by gegev; 01-18-2010, 05:04 AM.

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      Re: armenia stands today because of iran?

      Can we stop this very silly questions...what have u people identity crisis?

      Or u like to post other nations as armenians saviours forgetting all the struggle that our forefathers had given ..cause this is the impression u show to our unknown visitors.
      You can tell whether a man is clever by his answers. You can tell whether a man is wise by his questions.

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        Re: armenia stands today because of iran?

        Originally posted by UrMistake View Post
        Can we stop this very silly questions...what have u people identity crisis?
        Or u like to post other nations as armenians saviours forgetting all the struggle that our forefathers had given ..cause this is the impression u show to our unknown visitors.
        Notice: If you notice this notice you will notice that this notice is not worth noticing
        Are you able to read and understand what’s written, before making your wise comment?
        Last edited by gegev; 01-18-2010, 09:00 AM.

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          Re: armenia stands today because of iran?

          lol of course other nations help doest even count when compared with our struggle! i just read some history and wanted to share
          and as gegev says the reason that armenia exist is iran at the moment cause only fouls cant see this:armenia have 4 neighbor which borders are closed with 2 of them(turkey and azerbaijan) and georgia itself needs help so it cant provide any help to armenia so the only neighbor that helps armenia's economy completely is iran.iran selling gas and petrol to armenia with 75% discount and its much cheaper when compared with russia's gas
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            Re: armenia stands today because of iran?

            75% discount wow were did u get that ?

            Gegev my answer to u is only the word 'if'

            Iran is just a small contribution of what today we call neighbours such relations is very common among the nations and have nothing spacial,so we could refer to as a point of a great factor of friendship ...
            The fact that we have normal and healthy relations with our very past enemys 'Iran' is something normal...is just cause we have the worst nations us neighbours is it enough to
            point normal actions us abnormal?
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              Re: armenia stands today because of iran?

              Let's us not forget the many times the Persian Empire has tried to crush us, change our religion, and abolish our idendity. Don't be so childish, Iran has done much harm to us as well. It's only these few years that we've been able build economic ties with Iran because of the blockade. If borders were open with Turkey our trade with Iran would become very little. And Iran on the other hand could care less about us. During Karabakh war, they issued some very aggressive statements against us and build up troops near the border. What is this obsession with Iran?? Get over it. We're here today because of our resilience and strength. It's not because of any other country it's because of OUR PEOPLE.
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                Re: armenia stands today because of iran?

                We can thank Iran for more or less shielding the Armenians under their changing regimes during the past few hundred years.

                We can thank the Soviet Union for protecting the lands we have now, and letting Armenians build it up into a nation. If that didn't happen, we would've been finished. Our bourgeois days in Constantinople and Tiflis were over. We needed a land to call our own.
                Last edited by jgk3; 01-18-2010, 10:55 AM.
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                  Re: armenia stands today because of iran?

                  im pure armenian and if you ask me no one can be trusted but im just sharing things i know
                  my dad is electric administrator in iran and works in armenia-iran trade embassy.he go to all meeting about trading electricity.armenia also gets discount in this
                  about the gas and petrol discount i saw that in TV myself sargsian and ahmedinijad shaking hands and celebrating it.iran sends its gas through armenia then georgia then europe and its just a little more expensive than free for armenia.
                  how come there are gas problems in turkey every winter but there isnt much in armneia?

                  but of couse as i said these helps provide iran with political advantages

                  and as far as i know only foul kings of persian empire tried to crush armenia.most of the times armenia was irans vassal.and never judge a nation by its goverment.iranian people are very nice to armenians they recognize the armenian genocide.even turks and azeries in iran are kind to armenians go see armenians in jolfa and tabriz.both cities are turk citites but armenians can protest in 24th april every year in these cities

                  and religion started the war between our nation and persians.before christ and islam armenians and iranians both had "Mihr" religion and there was no war between us.and we were blood brothers with iranians
                  those arabs attacked iran and made them to accept islam
                  all muslims are bad guys even iranians but they are the best muslims thats for sure.in my opinion its good to have iran as an ally in these dark times thats all.
                  Last edited by Parskahay; 01-18-2010, 01:29 PM.
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                    Re: armenia stands today because of iran?

                    Originally posted by Parskahay View Post
                    im pure armenian and if you ask me no one can be trusted but im just sharing things i know
                    my dad is electric administrator in iran and works in armenia-iran trade embassy.he go to all meeting about trading electricity.armenia also gets discount in this
                    about the gas and petrol discount i saw that in TV myself sargsian and ahmedinijad shaking hands and celebrating it.iran sends its gas through armenia then georgia then europe and its just a little more expensive than free for armenia.
                    how come there are gas problems in turkey every winter but there isnt much in armneia?

                    but of couse as i said these helps provide iran with political advantages

                    and as far as i know only foul kings of persian empire tried to crush armenia.most of the times armenia was irans vassal.and never judge a nation by its goverment.iranian people are very nice to armenians they recognize the armenian genocide.even turks and azeries in iran are kind to armenians go see armenians in jolfa and tabriz.both cities are turk citites but armenians can protest in 24th april every year in these cities

                    and religion started the war between our nation and persians.before christ and islam armenians and iranians both had "Mihr" religion and there was no war between us.and we were blood brothers with iranians
                    those arabs attacked iran and made them to accept islam
                    all muslims are bad guys even iranians but they are the best muslims thats for sure.in my opinion its good to have iran as an ally in these dark times thats all.
                    It's your kind of thinking that has made Armenians so vulnerable. No one is our ally, ok. Countries that seem like allies like Russia only do so in order to use us, in order to sell us at the highest price. Stop trying to categorize countries as allies because once you begin trusting them to much and allying with them they will use you with haste especially such a big power like Iran or Russia. We can have friends but more than that is a risk. Trust me Iranian government doesn't give a xxxx about Armenia and if they can benefit in any way they will sell us right away.
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