Armenia stands today because of Iran?

[Mos]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

And Armenia stands today because of men like Andranik who refused to let the Turks capture Armenian cities and fought harder than ever before, however the Persians have nothing to do with the Genocide, the Persian community started since the 1600 due to the Safavid Empire when the Shah started a policy moving the Armenians away from bordering Ottoman areas,some say it was for economic reasions, another theoy put across by Persians scholars is he was trying to protect Armenians from Turkic raids, both are plausible.

I disagree with Mos as the thing is that Armenia and Iran have ancient Pre Christian and Islamic ties, it would sever ancient bonds of trust and culture to completely close off the border with Iran, and Western Christians haven't really given that much for Armenia, look at Germany they helped the damn Turks in the first place, so it's maybe not a good idea to see it in a religious sense but more what would benefit the nation and the region in the long run

You can't base today relations on relations during ancient time. You have to be a little more current than that, at least several hundred years. France has been a better friend to us than Iran, and I would argue many EU countries have also been good to us in relations to their stance on Turkey/Azerbaijan. We have to look forward which is EU not backwards which is Iran.

[Federate]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

I am not against Iranian students, professors, companies or normal Iranian families who visit Armenia to experience our culture.

I agree with this and perhaps even a controlled/limited number of Iranians actually permanently settling in Armenia. But the key here is to control it meaning we should not only be wary that Iranians comprise also of 15 million ethnic Azaris who could act as spies but the general Muslim reproductive nature.

A wise man* once said: "We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades."


*Muammar Gaddafi - Leader of Libya

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

You can't base today relations on relations during ancient time. You have to be a little more current than that, at least several hundred years. France has been a better friend to us than Iran, and I would argue many EU countries have also been good to us in relations to their stance on Turkey/Azerbaijan. We have to look forward which is EU not backwards which is Iran.

True, but pissing off Persians now will really hamper Armenian trade and militay relations, besides Russia, Persia is the only real trading partner, Armenia is already surrounded by Turkey and Georgia, the last thing it needs is a pissed off Iran.

As to the EU, they have been giving support...to an extent, they still favour what brings in the money, and what brings in the money is Israel, Turkey and the US. At the end of the day, the majority of those nations will look first towards the Capitalist superpower for financial security, now on the other hand while Iran is backward in some terms, it's a situation of the enemy of my enemy is my friend, Iran themselves will get more and more annoyed at the Tatar/Azeris who want to fuse parts of Iran with Turkic nations and this puts Armenia in an advantageous position. If Azerbaijan's power is curtailed and Iran steps in due to Azeri aggression, more likely than not it will make their claims on Artsakh useless if they violate another nation's territorial integrity. This is good politics.

At this point I think that there should be quotas in general against non Armos, only allowing a certain number in as lots of Armenians already left Armenia, rather encourage Armo immigration first, before all others

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

I agree with this and perhaps even a controlled/limited number of Iranians actually permanently settling in Armenia. But the key here is to control it meaning we should not only be wary that Iranians comprise also of 15 million ethnic Azaris who could act as spies but the general Muslim reproductive nature.

A wise man* once said: "We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades."


*Muammar Gaddafi - Leader of Libya

Neither the planet nor the economy can sustain this kind of growth. The population projections are alarming.

Armenia stands today because of the Armenian people. Those who are ok with allowing other cultures to change the demographics of Armenia should also look into the future and see that without Armenians, there is no Armenia.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

I agree with this and perhaps even a controlled/limited number of Iranians actually permanently settling in Armenia. But the key here is to control it meaning we should not only be wary that Iranians comprise also of 15 million ethnic Azaris who could act as spies but the general Muslim reproductive nature.

A wise man* once said: "We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades."


*Muammar Gaddafi - Leader of Libya

I agree with you Federate. We can do this by not issuing a permanent resident status to non-Armenians and forbidding by law a Muslim (Iranian) to officially marry an Armenian, so not to get a permanent status (because there have been numerous cases where this happened).

Ofcourse, we must not exaggerate and show our deepest respect to Iran, by taking this kind of measures indirectly.

The Iranian Azeris (ethnic Iranians, but they are brainwashed and think they are ''Turkish'') are also a big problem, there have been numberous of cases where Iranian Azeri spies have infiltrated deep into Armenia. A lot of the truck drivers are of Azeri origin, and they easliy drive deep into Armenian territory and buy information (take pictures, photographs of strategic places).

We must also scan all the Iranian students, I bet at least some of them are not trustworthy.

(I have seen a lot of old Iranian pedofiles, who constantly look at young Armenian girls and even harass them.

Iranians who are jurking off at WaterWorld because they have never seen girls.

Iranians who come to Parvana and constantly look at our girls, shouting and talking about disgusting subjects (I understand Iranian, about 95% of the time they are talking about sex and Armenian ''xxxxs'').

90% of my experience in Armenia with Iranians has been negative).

[ashot24]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

I agree with you Federate. We can do this by not issuing a permanent resident status to non-Armenians and forbidding by law a Muslim (Iranian) to officially marry an Armenian, so not to get a permanent status (because there have been numerous cases where this happened).

Ofcourse, we must not exaggerate and show our deepest respect to Iran, by taking this kind of measures indirectly.

You mean being hypocrites?

That is just plain stupid, not to mention racist. You can't put any measure to prohibit an Iranian marrying an Armenian or vice versa, or an Armenian marrying whoever he/she wants. You can prohibit anybody settleling wherever he/she wants, whether he is Iranian, or German, or Italian, or anything. We live in a 'free world' where is supposed that everybody can live everywhere they want. You can't prohibit anybody to go and settle where he wants or marry whoever he wants, that's attempting against human rights.

Why are you people so afraid of Muslims? So because there are Muslim Turks, Azeries, Kurds, Iranians, etc. who are total idiots it immediately means every single one of them must be the same? So because you've had bad experiences with the majority of Iranians you've seen it means every single Iranian must be the same? Or simple because they are Muslim? And with being Muslim you imagine all the bad things about them you've always heard, just because being Muslim...

We live in a globalized world, don't we? There is no need to be separating us by races or religions, we're all supposed to be the same...

I agree that there is no Armenia without Armenians, and a country needs its historical ethnicity as a majority in order to survive, but going as far as saying "Armenia for the Armenians only", that is just pure ultra-nationalism, of the same kind that has always been haunting for troubles.

However, there are people who take chance of the freedom Armenia offers for their malicious intentions, but what can we do? Get rid of everybody? The good and the bad ones? Don't give them the same rights as us? Treat them differently?
Come on people, are we practicing double-standards here?

All of this is the result of the worldwide Islamophobia and anti-Muslim sentiments that's been going around, which I find stupid...now we are all blaming the Muslims for every single bad thing in the world, seeing them as the enemy, as the ones who endanger us...is the result of the usual human way to lay blame on somebody else in order to not look the problem indeed is inside of them. We always look for the one to lay blame on instead of looking for the solution of our problems. It seems we need someone to hate in order to be human....

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

You mean being hypocrites?

That is just plain stupid, not to mention racist. You can't put any measure to prohibit an Iranian marrying an Armenian or vice versa, or an Armenian marrying whoever he/she wants. You can prohibit anybody settleling wherever he/she wants, whether he is Iranian, or German, or Italian, or anything. We live in a 'free world' where is supposed that everybody can live everywhere they want. You can't prohibit anybody to go and settle where he wants or marry whoever he wants, that's attempting against human rights.

Why are you people so afraid of Muslims? So because there are Muslim Turks, Azeries, Kurds, Iranians, etc. who are total idiots it immediately means every single one of them must be the same? So because you've had bad experiences with the majority of Iranians you've seen it means every single Iranian must be the same? Or simple because they are Muslim? And with being Muslim you imagine all the bad things about them you've always heard, just because being Muslim...

We live in a globalized world, don't we? There is no need to be separating us by races or religions, we're all supposed to be the same...

I agree that there is no Armenia without Armenians, and a country needs its historical ethnicity as a majority in order to survive, but going as far as saying "Armenia for the Armenians only", that is just pure ultra-nationalism, of the same kind that has always been haunting for troubles.

However, there are people who take chance out of that for their malicious intentions, but what can we do? Get rid of everybody? Don't give them the same rights as us? Treat them differently?
Come on people, are we practicing double-standards here?

All of this is the result of the worldwide Islamophobia and anti-Muslim sentiments that's been going around, which I find stupid...now we are all blaming the Muslims for every single bad thing in the world, seeing them as the enemy, as the ones who endanger us...is the result of the usual human way to lay blame on somebody else in order to not look the problem indeed is inside of him. It seems we need someone to hate in order to be human....

Well said! It really is funny how these people who are obviously racist in more then one sence will be the first ones to cry about racism when it happens to them. Its sad but it kind of makes me giggle at the same time.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

The world has always been globalized. Just because business in now conducted on a global scale doesn't mean everyone should live like nomads. Only in the past half century has there been a giant push or concensus towards "it's ok to allow the assimilation of every culture". Well, all except for that one country we call Israel.

As far as we're all supposed to be the same B.S..... that's the first step towards a world of poverty where the wealthy have successfully killed culture.

[ashot24]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

As far as we're all supposed to be the same B.S..... that's the first step towards a world of poverty where the wealthy have successfully killed culture.

No, that's called capitalism, westernalization, commercialism, putting the capital over the people....and in sole word, 'cocacolonization', which kills our culture, creates poverty and controls our minds.

Slowly more people is forgetting about their historical customs and traditions and changing them by the 'culture' (because that can't be called culture) of consume brought by to you by the same people who is turning our world into their personal goods factory....and I am not talking only about Armenia, all over the world is the same. For example, people celebrates Halloween all over the world, and sometimes they don't even remember when the day of Independence of their Country is, specially inside the young people. They drink Coca Cola, eat at McDonald's, and watch MTV...while sometimes they don't even know what their traditional food are, or what is the most important figure in their history...sometimes they don't even know their history!

We are all the same means we are all human, we are all brothers and sisters sharing a same race THE HUMAN RACE, and no distinctions shall be made upon us, because we're all the same, no one's better and no one's worse..

Sometimes people talks out of their stomachs.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

The world has always been globalized. Just because business in now conducted on a global scale doesn't mean everyone should live like nomads. Only in the past half century has there been a giant push or concensus towards "it's ok to allow the assimilation of every culture". Well, all except for that one country we call Israel.

As far as we're all supposed to be the same B.S..... that's the first step towards a world of poverty where the wealthy have successfully killed culture.

The world has not always been globalized. You can get to anywhere on earth now within hours where many parts of the world were completely inexsessible before. You dont have to lose your own identity or culture to accept another person for what he/she is.