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  • Ethnic Iranians(turks or azeries or whatever)

    so what about them.is there any difference between them and actual azeries and turks?
    i have a cousin in Tabriz(biggest turkish city in iran)and as he says there are many turks in iran who blindly think armenia is their enemy and they dont even want to think about it.but in bigger and cultural cities like Tabriz people think and dont follow anything blindly so they rather call themselves Turks not Azeries cause the only thing that azeries are good at is dancing and getting drunk.they also know that azeries are baboons.thats why there is a big enough armenian quarter in tabriz called baron avak street which contains many armenian families and have 2 churches in it.whole tabriz have 11 armenian churches.there are even many who recognize the armenian genocide but they say it was foul ottoman sultans who did that and it has nothing to do with turkey

    its his idea.but it doest change my view for how bad the turks are.so what about you?
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    Re: Ethnic Iranians(turks or azeries or whatever)

    I recommend you to read this article:
    http://www.rozanehmagazine.com/NoveDec05/AZPartV.html

    That is only one part of the whole article, you should also read the others parts it's very good and interesting...

    ---

    The real Azaries of Northern Iran are different from the Caucasian Tatars claiming to be their brothers, they are proud and aware about their Iranian ancestry, and love their country and their people, and couldn't feel more offended when some of those racist pan-Turanists so called "Azeri Turks" spread hate media and lies among their population. As an example, the Supreme Leader of Iran since 1989 is Ali Khamenei, an ethnic Azari.

    I disagree with what you say, the Turks are not bad people, nor the Azeris, now anyone. The fact there is a bunch of bad apples in the tree doesn't mean every single apples is bad as well, you just have to take some time and look well. Of course there are bad Turks and bad Azeries, as well as there is bad person from any origin all over the world, it just doesn't mean that if you were born Turk you are instantly bad.

    I know many Iranian Azaries, and Azeries from Azerbaijan. I can tell you that the majority of Azeries don't hate Armenians nor dislike them, the majority of the older generations feel nostalgia when they remember when we used to live side by side and there was peace among us before the rise of pan-Turkic ultra-nationalism in the government, while the majority of the younger generations divide between in two groups: 1) those who have awaken from the lies they were, are and will be told about Armenians and 2) those who are doing it already, but as they've told me...it takes time to wash all the hate and prejudices and lies you've grown with.

    These people do exist, however, they are afraid of speak their minds or give an opinion that's not the "one the government prefers", because not hating Armenians in pan-Turkic controlled Azerbaijan "is a state crime punishable by the higher law".
    Last edited by ashot24; 02-16-2010, 01:53 PM.

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      Re: Ethnic Iranians(turks or azeries or whatever)

      Actuallyu, Azeri is not Turkic or Turkish people. They are Iranian people. But, in the past, Oghuz Turkic tribes ruled there various times(Their well-known empires are Safavid dynasty, Aq Qoyunlu and Qara Qoyunlu) and they had converted shi'ite Islam(differently from Turks in Turkey - they are sunni, Turks are also descent from Oghuz Turkic tribe but Islamic sect different)

      They made many bloody wars with sunni Ottoman Empire. Shi'ite Oghuz tribes called themselves as Azerbaijani. Therefore, today, in Tabriz they have a lot of population.

      On the other hand, in Iran, thereare also Azeri people(who are actually not Turkic people, they are Iranian.... but turkification made them having same culture with Azerbaijanis) and Iran call both Azeris and Azerbaijanis as only Azeri. They try to assimilate Azerbaijanis by forcing them to accept themselves as Azeri (Iranian).

      However, in Azerbaijan there are about 7 millions Azerbaijani population but in Iran, it is at least 15 millions, mostly in Tabriz...


      Sometimes, the region called as South Azerbaijan, because of that

      CIA Fact Book confirms the situation

      Look people
      https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/ir.html

      Shows 24% Azeri, 2% Turkmen

      then look at languages

      Turkic and Turkic dialects 26%
      Last edited by Yakamoz; 02-20-2010, 05:54 PM.

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        Re: Ethnic Iranians(turks or azeries or whatever)

        Actually, the name Azerbaijan comes from Atropatene, a western province of Iran which is today known as "Azarbaijan". The Azerbaijan north of the Arax river is a fake extension of Atropatene, a program sponsored by Russia during their war in the early 20th c. against Iran. They wanted the Azeris of "Azarbaijan" to equate the Tatar Turks (the Oghuz north of the Arax) as their brothers, and revolt against Iran in order to join Russia.

        It doesn't matter if Azeris of today in Azerbaijan (north of Arax river) have shared DNA and culture with the Iranians of Azarbaijan, who were partially assimilated by Oghuz Turks (and thus speak a Turkic language today instead of what would have been the descendant of their ancestrial Iranian dialect). The fact of the matter is, the land north of the Arax river was never called Azerbaijan until that fairly recent Russian program to woo the Azaris against Iran and join them under the pretext of having shared culture with Tatar Turks living north of them. Giving the land on which those Tatar Turks dwelled the name "Azerbaijan" would faciliate this process. The program more or less failed, as Iranian Azeris aren't fond of "Azerbaijanis" and can see through the smoke screen of their name and of sharing their language.
        Last edited by jgk3; 02-20-2010, 07:01 PM.
        I was taught how to think.

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          Re: Ethnic Iranians(turks or azeries or whatever)

          Originally posted by Parskahay View Post
          so what about them.is there any difference between them and actual azeries and turks?
          i have a cousin in Tabriz(biggest turkish city in iran)and as he says there are many turks in iran who blindly think armenia is their enemy and they dont even want to think about it.but in bigger and cultural cities like Tabriz people think and dont follow anything blindly so they rather call themselves Turks not Azeries cause the only thing that azeries are good at is dancing and getting drunk.they also know that azeries are baboons.thats why there is a big enough armenian quarter in tabriz called baron avak street which contains many armenian families and have 2 churches in it.whole tabriz have 11 armenian churches.there are even many who recognize the armenian genocide but they say it was foul ottoman sultans who did that and it has nothing to do with turkey

          its his idea.but it doest change my view for how bad the turks are.so what about you?
          Azeris, Turks, Azeris in Iran, are all the same to me. All enemies of the Armenian people, always have been. Persians I just see as backward people and they too get on my nerves a lot.

          Why the hell you want to be friends with these backwards people who wait for the moment of our destruction? Be strong and stop trying to always ally yourself with other nations. Armenia does not have a really ally!
          Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
          ---
          "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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            Re: Ethnic Iranians(turks or azeries or whatever)

            Difference between nationality and ethnicity. I think there may be some confusion between Azeris and Tatars.
            Between childhood, boyhood,
            adolescence
            & manhood (maturity) there
            should be sharp lines drawn w/
            Tests, deaths, feats, rites
            stories, songs & judgements

            - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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            • #7
              Re: Ethnic Iranians(turks or azeries or whatever)

              Originally posted by freakyfreaky View Post
              Difference between nationality and ethnicity. I think there may be some confusion between Azeris and Tatars.
              who cares, Azeri, tatar, chechen, turk their all our enemy and they are muslims remember that. Muslims in the region have always united against us.
              Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
              ---
              "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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              • #8
                Re: Ethnic Iranians(turks or azeries or whatever)

                Muslims are not our enemies, Turks/Azeris/Georgians are. Persians are not, you are talking bullxxxx, for a reason I do not know. Maybe you are trying to create a wedge between Armenia and Iran. Are you Armenian?
                Last edited by Tigranakert; 02-28-2010, 08:57 AM.

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                • #9
                  Re: Ethnic Iranians(turks or azeries or whatever)

                  Originally posted by Tigranakert View Post
                  Muslims are not our enemies, Turks/Azeris/Georgians are. Persians are not, you are talking bullxxxx, for a reason I do not know. Maybe you are trying to create a wedge between Armenia and Iran. Are you Armenian?
                  Thank you Tigranakert for setting straight a misinformed, myopic nationalist.
                  Between childhood, boyhood,
                  adolescence
                  & manhood (maturity) there
                  should be sharp lines drawn w/
                  Tests, deaths, feats, rites
                  stories, songs & judgements

                  - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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                  • #10
                    Re: Ethnic Iranians(turks or azeries or whatever)

                    Originally posted by Tigranakert View Post
                    Muslims are not our enemies, Turks/Azeris/Georgians are. Persians are not, you are talking bullxxxx, for a reason I do not know. Maybe you are trying to create a wedge between Armenia and Iran. Are you Armenian?
                    I'm trying to create a wedge between Armenia and Iran? Look, you have to understand that these days no one is our ally. A nation like Iran only look to us to use us for their own benefit. And let me remind you how Northern Iran is a majority of ethnic Azeris. The common Persian will support any muslim country over Armenia. It's only a few people in government that cooperate with us for a little economy. Don't be a harif, stop trying to create sides. We are alone and the closest thing we have to an ally that's supported us over the years may be France and that's a stretch.
                    Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
                    ---
                    "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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