Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

[Haykakan]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

You still dont get it. It will not matter who is reproducing more effectively when overpopulation will destroy our world. In the end does it matter if the last person on earth to die is white, black , brown, or orange? If the traditional values you speak of mean having lots of kids then it is that traditional value that will doom humanity thus either way your argument makes no rational sense. You are basically saying o look the muslims are like the lemmings running the fastest to suicide dive off the cliff so lets join them.

[Siggie]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Well all that overprotecting leads girls to either grow up naive or spoiled or both. Mistaking naiveness with modesty is a mistake in intself. I also value modesty but i do not like overprotected spoiled bratts like the ones i went to school with in AGBU. Not that they were all bad but they were definetely overprotected, overdressed, overpampered, over..... yet despite being raised in such traditional manner most of these young women wouldnt know modesty if they saw it hell some even became lesbos. The one that became a lesbo was definetly lesbo all along before even she knew it so you see it has nothing to do with how you are raised. You dont turn gay just because you saw a gay parade go byeither.

Exactly. They just claim that that's how to produce the qualities they desire, but they really have no idea. If all it took was preserving the existing traditional values, we wouldn't see what we're seeing in Armenia. It should not be the diasporan Armenian tourists who are more modestly dressed and wearing no/light makeup. And in my own personal experience (i.e. subject to confirmation bias, representativeness heuristic, etc.), I have observed that Hayastanci women tend to be more aggressive too, which last I checked isn't what their lot would call a "feminine" trait.

My parents raised me to value education and that knowledge is power, treat others with respect, that success requires hard work and effort, and to be self-reliant, and they most certainly did not impose any gender rules. I (and they) think I turned out just fine.

They really hammered home the self-reliance. They never implied that I'd need to wait to marry to have anything (car, home, etc.). On the contrary, my dad is very fond of saying that when you fall, you don't look to others for help, you put your hand on your knee, and you stand up. Consequently, I've never looked to anyone else to provide for me which also means that I don't evaluate guys on the basis of what material things they can provide for me. I don't need that. I can provide for myself in that regard. What I looked for instead is how well we get along, what we have in common, how complementary our personalities are, etc. You know, all the rest of that stuff that's more important for long-term success in one's relationship.

[Mos]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

You still dont get it. It will not matter who is reproducing more effectively when overpopulation will destroy our world. In the end does it matter if the last person on earth to die is white, black , brown, or orange? If the traditional values you speak of mean having lots of kids then it is that traditional value that will doom humanity thus either way your argument makes no rational sense. You are basically saying o look the muslims are like the lemmings running the fastest to suicide dive off the cliff so lets join them.

So you are more concerned about overpopulation? Traditional values doesn't mean having many kids, though the family oriented structure of such values generally tends to produce more kids. And I don't really see how Muslims are diving off any cliff. They are doing quite well actually, and Muslim religiosity is only increasing.

Exactly. They just claim that that's how to produce the qualities they desire, but they really have no idea. If all it took was preserving the existing traditional values, we wouldn't see what we're seeing in Armenia. It should not be the diasporan Armenian tourists who are more modestly dressed and wearing no/light makeup. And in my own personal experience (i.e. subject to confirmation bias, representativeness heuristic, etc.), I have observed that Hayastanci women tend to be more aggressive too, which last I checked isn't what their lot would call a "feminine" trait.

My parents raised me to value education and that knowledge is power, treat others with respect, that success requires hard work and effort, and to be self-reliant, and they most certainly did not impose any gender rules. I (and they) think I turned out just fine.

They really hammered home the self-reliance. They never implied that I'd need to wait to marry to have anything (car, home, etc.). On the contrary, my dad is very fond of saying that when you fall, you don't look to others for help, you put your hand on your knee, and you stand up. Consequently, I've never looked to anyone else to provide for me which also means that I don't evaluate guys on the basis of what material things they can provide for me. I don't need that. I can provide for myself in that regard. What I looked for instead is how well we get along, what we have in common, how complementary our personalities are, etc. You know, all the rest of that stuff that's more important for long-term success in one's relationship.

I agree with you that there are Hayastanci women (esp Yerevanci) that are being influenced by these Western lifestyles/fashion and thus acting in such a foreign manner. They are obsessed with showing off their body, which I think is really shameful. Fortunately, many Hayastanci women are not like that, but they are on the increase. Such girls tend to be very materialistic, not very family oriented or patriotic, though most importantly, it's quite sad their materialism. It's like they worship those materials more than God. Reminds me of Paganism, in the end, what has to be worshipped above everything else is God, not materials, your shoes, clothes, but God almighty or else your society turns into a neo-paganist cesspool.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

What I'm more curious about is how all these alleged "prostitute" women will turn out when they feel like settling down and having a family...

I mean, seriously, do you think that desire comes from traditional Armenian culture and is under attack in the west? If that were the case, people wouldn't be getting married at all.

The reasons divorces happen is because both the man and the women probably did not figure each other, nor themselves, before they tied the knot. Maybe you prefer a society where people don't need to figure themselves out, and let fear of being socially ostracized or punished figure it out for them.

The reason divorces happen is because it has become a part of western society. Most kids' parents are divorced by the time they are 18. It's part of their life cycle. They see this as the norm so they expect that it's something they will experience in their lifetime. The guys see average women as prostitutes that are less likely to have sexually transmitted diseases than actual prostitutes so to them, that's marriage material. The girls don't really have a father figure so they naturally have negative attitudes towards the opposite sex. They really don't have any choice in the matter since that is the society they live in.

[Mos]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

The reason divorces happen is because it has become a part of western society. Most kids' parents are divorced by the time they are 18. It's part of their life cycle. They see this as the norm so they expect that it's something they will experience in their lifetime. They see average women as prostitutes that are less likely to have sexually transmitted diseases than actual prostitutes so to them, that's marriage material. They really don't have any choice in the matter since that is the society they live in.

The institution of marriage in the West has become a joke. Marriage is a sacred union. In the West, marriage has become something of convenience, which you can get rid of when you get tired. The kids are the ones who suffer though, and the family remain dysfunctional for a long period of time. There's a reason why marriage has traditionally been done at a young age, with the woman being a virgin at marriage. Such marriages lasted longer, were more cohesive, and much better families.

[Siggie]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

I agree with you that there are Hayastanci women (esp Yerevanci) that are being influenced by these Western lifestyles/fashion and thus acting in such a foreign manner.

This is circular reasoning.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

This is circular reasoning.

I thought it was monkey see, monkey do.

[Mos]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

This is circular reasoning.

In what way? I'm point out the obvious when it comes to some Yerevanci women.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

You still dont get it. It will not matter who is reproducing more effectively when overpopulation will destroy our world. In the end does it matter if the last person on earth to die is white, black , brown, or orange? If the traditional values you speak of mean having lots of kids then it is that traditional value that will doom humanity thus either way your argument makes no rational sense. You are basically saying o look the muslims are like the lemmings running the fastest to suicide dive off the cliff so lets join them.

There is no "over population". Hell, the only reason the Chinese government enforced the one child law is because the population got too large to govern. They had to migrate people and sell them off to other governments .

You don't hear J3ws screaming over population, they are BULLDOZING other people's homes just so they can make room for growth. There are condominiums going up in major cities around the world to prepare for the influx of immigrants from rural areas into cities.

[Haykakan]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Hell you guys will turn to jokes when your loosing the argument and thats fine but never do you seem to admit the truth and will be back tommorow with another round of women bashing...this gets quite boring. Yo Mos overpopulation does not mean your doing well. These muslim countries are gona run out of resources especialy water in the middle east and then i wana hear you tell me how well they are doing. As for Armenia the problem is way more economic then reproductive.