Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

[gegev]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

...
Please stick you heads out of your vors so that you do not doom us along with you.

As I said du ARAJADEM DATARKAXOS (Առաջադեմ դատարկախոս) ES
ISK HIMA TESNUM EM OR ...

APUSH EL ES

BERANOV XOSELU POXAREN OROV ES XOSUM ԱՅ ԱՊՈՒՇ "ԴԱՍԱԽՈՍ"

Էլ իզուր չփորձես ինձ գրել՝ Ապուշների հետ խոսելու սովորություն չունեմ:

[Haykakan]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

How come most people get what that motto means but mr gegev does not? The inability to "get things" seems to be a common issue with all the "conservatives" here. I believe these people cannot or willnot look at life from another persons perspective no matter what. They are set in their ways and will never change regardless of any fact or reason. One of the biggest reasons we humans have survived is our ability to adapt to change yet adaptation is out of the question for people like these. This inability to adept is hardly an armenian issue it is a human issue and was very evident in the presidential debate last night. All you heard both candidates say was more oil, gas, and coal while every year new record high tempratures are set and ice shelves the size of USA disappear along with farmable land due to drought. There is a common trend here, it is this inability to learn and adept that will lead our species to extinction. Unlike most things we humans are used to dealing with - some things cannot be made "ok" at the last minute, its like critical mass once you reach it there is no going back. Please stick you heads out of your vors so that you do not doom us along with you.

[Siggie]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Do you think that everything in which Ahmadi Nejad believes is wrong???

For instance, I guess, he believes that proliferation of prostitution (jungle show), destruction of family values and making idols form the sexy women, in the west, are not useful for the society.
In jungle animals don't use clothes.

Do I think that everything in which he believes is wrong? Uhh, no. I assume he also believes the Earth is round and revolves around the Sun. Since I believe the same, I guess that means the answer to your question is "no.

P.S. Please don't forget that the thread; "Muslims Occupy Europe" is mine.

This is relevant because...?

By the way let's discuss the motto you are using ...
“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.” -Henry Ford

I can't conform that it carries any meaning. Don't you agree?

You're asking if I agree that I selected a meaningless quote? No, no I don't agree with you.

[gegev]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

*snickers *

Do you think that everything in which Ahmadi Nejad believes is wrong???

For instance, I guess, he believes that proliferation of prostitution (jungle show), destruction of family values and making idols form the sexy women, in the west, are not useful for the society.
In jungle animals don't use clothes.

P.S. Please don't forget that the thread; "Muslims Occupy Europe" is mine.

By the way let's discuss the motto you are using ...
“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.” -Henry Ford

I can't confirm that it carries any meaning. Don't you agree?

[Siggie]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

*snickers *

[Siggie]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

I never said I knew everything about anything. As I said before, I'm merely just advocating for the values of our society to be protected. These values, many people cherish and hold close to their heart as the core values of Armenian society and family, including me. In the West, these values have been replaced with a globalised, overly liberal, politically correct system of values. I simply don't want such values to take over Armenian values. I think the message here is rather simple and shouldn't be this controversial. I don't understand how someone could want such values to overtake our conservative values that we have.

Isn't the very fact that you're here complaining that these values have deteriorated evidence that they're not as dear to others as they might be to you or to as many people as you think? Those who hold those values as dear as you do are free to do that and to give them weight in their decisions, just as those who don't hold them as dear can not consider them. It is not about what you want; you don't make decisions for others.

[Mos]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Uday and Qusay here will never learn so it might be better to save your energy on something more productive Siggie. Their inability to learn and reason is pretty profound if you think about it. Mos still likes capitalism despite all the xxxx it causes including the very problem he is complaining about and he only sees things in black or white like your either a capitalist or a communist and nothing in between can , has nor will ever exist. Kanadahye is just as dense but he has a sense of humor which makes him bearable at times. It is not easy for a man to understand what women go through because we men have our own issues to deal with. Most healthy young men have a extremely strong sex drive which is hard to control-much harder then for women and seeing a sexy attractive woman drives things into overdrive. This is not an excuse but it is a fact and as in the article you posted even when a pretty woman dresses modestly and acts uninterested men will still hit on her because the urge is so strong. Many men might not understand what a woman goes through but many women dont understand what a man has to go through either. Putting togather such strong sexual urges and the physical strength and size advantage that men have over women puts women in a difficult situation where they can be physically threatened and abused while men do not need to deal with a similar threat from women. Sure women can be manipulative etc.. but so can men but most women will always be at a physical disadvantage to men because of biology. Both sexes have their issues but one on one the female is at a distinct disadvantage as the article clearly illustrates. While both sexes can be victimized by the other it is the female who gets victimized by far more then the male even in societies with favorable divorce rates for females like here in Michigan. Anyways i gota take my kid to the doctor so gota go..

My reasoning here has been pretty clear I would say. My energy goes towards wanting a prosperous future for the Armenian nation and for our society to remain Armenian and Christian. I just don't want our society to turn into a culturally liberal, Western society. I know the implications for it, I don't want it. Is that so much to ask? When it comes to capitalism, I agree there are issues with capitalism (no economic system is perfect) but I prefer a more economically liberal approach than a more statist/socialist approach. What the Republican Party of Armenia employs, for example, is neo-liberal economic policies.

It is sheer arrogance, Haykakan. Arrogance and privilege. There are things we know that we know we know. There are things we know that we don't know we know. And there is the worst iteration -- things we don't know and don't know we don't know.
These guys think they know everything about what motivates people (and how the many things that motivate us interact, mediate, moderate, etc.), what they think, and even what their day to day lives and experiences are. The height of arrogance. People who already think they know everything there is to know, don't seek any evidence or confirmation. They choose to carry forth blind and inattentive to the fact that they could be wrong and that people's assumptions about the world around them turn out to be wrong all the time.

As here... It turns out that when we say "traditional" we should speak about a specific time period because apparently what we thought we knew about the "traditional" roles of women may not be correct.

I never said I knew everything about anything. As I said before, I'm merely just advocating for the values of our society to be protected. These values, many people cherish and hold close to their heart as the core values of Armenian society and family, including me. In the West, these values have been replaced with a globalised, overly liberal, politically correct system of values. I simply don't want such values to take over Armenian values. I think the message here is rather simple and shouldn't be this controversial. I don't understand how someone could want such values to overtake our conservative values that we have.

[Siggie]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

It is sheer arrogance, Haykakan. Arrogance and privilege. There are things we know that we know we know. There are things we know that we don't know we know. And there is the worst iteration -- things we don't know and don't know we don't know.
These guys think they know everything about what motivates people (and how the many things that motivate us interact, mediate, moderate, etc.), what they think, and even what their day to day lives and experiences are. The height of arrogance. People who already think they know everything there is to know, don't seek any evidence or confirmation. They choose to carry forth blind and inattentive to the fact that they could be wrong and that people's assumptions about the world around them turn out to be wrong all the time.

As here... It turns out that when we say "traditional" we should speak about a specific time period because apparently what we thought we knew about the "traditional" roles of women may not be correct.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/old-austrian-remains-of-woman-metal-worker/story-e6frf7k6-1226487780965

[Haykakan]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Uday and Qusay here will never learn so it might be better to save your energy on something more productive Siggie. Their inability to learn and reason is pretty profound if you think about it. Mos still likes capitalism despite all the xxxx it causes including the very problem he is complaining about and he only sees things in black or white like your either a capitalist or a communist and nothing in between can , has nor will ever exist. Kanadahye is just as dense but he has a sense of humor which makes him bearable at times. It is not easy for a man to understand what women go through because we men have our own issues to deal with. Most healthy young men have a extremely strong sex drive which is hard to control-much harder then for women and seeing a sexy attractive woman drives things into overdrive. This is not an excuse but it is a fact and as in the article you posted even when a pretty woman dresses modestly and acts uninterested men will still hit on her because the urge is so strong. Many men might not understand what a woman goes through but many women dont understand what a man has to go through either. Putting togather such strong sexual urges and the physical strength and size advantage that men have over women puts women in a difficult situation where they can be physically threatened and abused while men do not need to deal with a similar threat from women. Sure women can be manipulative etc.. but so can men but most women will always be at a physical disadvantage to men because of biology. Both sexes have their issues but one on one the female is at a distinct disadvantage as the article clearly illustrates. While both sexes can be victimized by the other it is the female who gets victimized by far more then the male even in societies with favorable divorce rates for females like here in Michigan. Anyways i gota take my kid to the doctor so gota go..

[Mos]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Do you guys seriously not get it? Keeping women out of the clubs isn't going to protect them because these situations are wide-spread.
You can see a woman's body in everything but a sack much like a burka. It's societal attitudes and tolerance of this kind of thing that is the problem. Take yourselves as an example.
You have a woman telling you that we get harassed in other settings too and you've both made jokes and/or dismissed it.

You who claim to care, to be one of the good guys, to want protect women... Perhaps your behaviors should reflect the attitudes you express.
Otherwise, I'm more inclined to believe how you act more accurately reflects your true beliefs and so far, you're mocking a pretty serious issue.

This sort of thing (http://unwinona.tumblr.com/post/3086...are-this-story) happens far more than you know...

I still don't understand how you can equate going to a dance club with going to the supermarket or walking down the street. Let's talk in terms of probability. The probability of getting groped and used at a dance club is .40 while getting groped in the supermarket is .002 while getting groped in a crowded bus is .01. So as you see the parent would be making a wise decision. I'm not saying it's not possible to get groped in bus, but it's much more probable to get groped in dance club.

I care about protecting the traditional construct of what it means to be a woman. I'm not going to protect this new, liberal concept where woman walks all over the man, where the woman acts like a man, where the woman has a disregard to her duties are home and to her family, when a woman thinks traditional gender roles are "sexist", and so forth. That's a mindset that destroys.