Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

[Sip]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

You're just reiterating what feminazis have been saying; however, I'd like to see how much you really know about what you're saying. Let's just make sure you're not another dumb feminazi who just repeats lies without facts.

Prove for me please, the following. But first, lets define a few terms.

Traditional woman = any woman in the US prior to the hit of mainstream feminism. Meaning, any woman before 1960s

So, prove that

1) Women prior to 1960 couldn't vote
2) Women prior to 1960 couldn't hold property
3) Women prior to 1960 didn't have any freedoms
4) Women prior to 1960 couldn't pursue their interests

Wait I am confused? So you think women should be able to have property, should be able to vote, and should have freedoms? When you say "traditional" wife, are you thinking a wife that can vote, have property, and have a legal standing like any other person (man) in society? I guess I am not clear on what you mean by "traditional wife" then.

[levon]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

There you go making it black and white. Any man that doesn't think like you must be an ass-kissing wimp?

No, ass-kissing wimps are ass-kissing wimps, and they make up most of the western world. That is the reason western men have given up all the rights they used to have.

She doesn't want to be treated like property during sex either (fetishes and rp stuff excluded)... If you're treating her like property there, then you don't care if she's enjoying the experience or not.

Tell me, what do you think of when you hear "treating a woman as property". Is it when the woman says "oh yes, I'm your personal xxxxx", or is it something else?

She better behave as he sees fit? If you treat people as if they don't have mind and will of their own, then you're essentially treating them like property.

You know, though you claim otherwise, your responses scream feminist. Traditional families have rules that are meant to be followed by the husband and the wife. When a woman comes into a mans family through marriage, she is expected to follow the family's rules. That is what it means to behave as seen fit.
You accuse me of thinking in black and white, yet all you can see is "traditional woman = property=bad."

If they marry for the right reasons and knowing each other well enough at the outset, why would they be getting divorced at all?

Hmm, that would imply that half the women in the US don't marry for the right reasons, and/or don't know their spouse well enough, especially since women initiate most divorces.

Two smart people, equity in the relationship, mutual respect, two incomes and so enough money... that really eliminates most things people split over.

yep, two jobs, kids, stress, divorce.

[levon]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

In what sense? The traditional middle class wife certainly couldn't vote, couldn't hold property, didn't really have any freedom to pursue any of her self interests. So how did she have it "better"?

You're just reiterating what feminazis have been saying; however, I'd like to see how much you really know about what you're saying. Let's just make sure you're not another dumb feminazi who just repeats lies without facts.

Prove for me please, the following. But first, lets define a few terms.

Traditional woman = any woman in the US prior to the hit of mainstream feminism. Meaning, any woman before 1960s

So, prove that

1) Women prior to 1960 couldn't vote
2) Women prior to 1960 couldn't hold property
3) Women prior to 1960 didn't have any freedoms
4) Women prior to 1960 couldn't pursue their interests

Now, be sure to be accurate in your conclusions. Make sure not to compare an average woman to a well off man. If you're making any assertions about a middle class woman, then they should be in comparison to a middle class man. Similarly, when discussing a lower class woman, it should be in comparison to a lower class male, and finally when discussing an upper class woman make sure it's in comparison to an upper class man.

Now, to make things even better, please make sure to discuss 1-4) for each of the following: lower class women, middle class women and upper class women.

....Go. If you prove that you're not full of sh!t, we'll continue from there.

Not sure what you mean by this? Do you also mean a group of men can be no different than a group of sheep? But what does this have to do with anything?

Think fascism, Nazism, communism. Now think feminism = (feminazism).

[Siggie]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Because no woman is ever happy with an ass-kissing wimp.

There you go making it black and white. Any man that doesn't think like you must be an ass-kissing wimp?

And where do you get the idea that a traditional man treats his wife as personal property. As for what I said, read again, I mean during sex.
And lets not kid ourselves, 99% of women would settle with a wealthy guy, regardless of how he treated her.

She doesn't want to be treated like property during sex either (fetishes and rp stuff excluded)... If you're treating her like property there, then you don't care if she's enjoying the experience or not.

She better behave as he sees fit? If you treat people as if they don't have mind and will of their own, then you're essentially treating them like property.

That's what every other western woman says. That is until divorce, then suddenly all his flaws start to matter. Love doesn't last long enough for a marriage to succeed. Genuine love is bullsh!t.

If they marry for the right reasons and knowing each other well enough at the outset, why would they be getting divorced at all?
Two smart people, equity in the relationship, mutual respect, two incomes and so enough money... that really eliminates most things people split over.

[Sip]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Traditional middle class wife had it much better than a modern middle class wife.

In what sense? The traditional middle class wife certainly couldn't vote, couldn't hold property, didn't really have any freedom to pursue any of her self interests. So how did she have it "better"?

Feminism was embraced and affected mostly middle class women. But, feminism was never about women.

What was feminism about then if it wasn't about women?

And yes, while an individual woman may be smart, a group of women can be no different than a group of sheep. This applies to people in general, not just women.

Not sure what you mean by this? Do you also mean a group of men can be no different than a group of sheep? But what does this have to do with anything?

[levon]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

OR two people can find what arrangement works best for BOTH of them in their relationship.
You're assuming the "modern woman's" life wouldn't be happy as well. It all depends on what we value as individuals.

Because no woman is ever happy with an ass-kissing wimp.

If a man thought of me as personal property and didn't treat me like a person with wants, needs, thoughts, etc. I wouldn't care if he was raining money on me, hired a full-time housekeeper for me, or gave me all the material things I could possibly want, I would walk because he wouldn't be giving me the most important tangible of all...respect.

And where do you get the idea that a traditional man treats his wife as personal property. As for what I said, read again, I mean during sex.
And lets not kid ourselves, 99% of women would settle with a wealthy guy, regardless of how he treated her.

That's what Sip was talking about... I can take care of myself, so I don't need to tolerate that kind of thing.
On the plus side, the guy I end up will know that I'm with him because I genuinely love him and not being "taken care of."

That's what every other western woman says. That is until divorce, then suddenly all his flaws start to matter. Love doesn't last long enough for a marriage to succeed. Genuine love is bullsh!t.

If the traditional wife had it soooooooo good, why did feminism come about? Why did so many women embrace this change so whole heartedly? Were they, are they, all idiots? Did they all make irrational decisions?

Traditional middle class wife had it much better than a modern middle class wife. Feminism was embraced and affected mostly middle class women. But, feminism was never about women. And yes, while an individual woman may be smart, a group of women can be no different than a group of sheep. This applies to people in general, not just women.

Propaganda is meant for a group not for individuals.

[gkv]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

contemporary societies are dominated by selfishness and immaturity. this is the core issue.

[Siggie]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Hmm, a traditional guys wife = wife has an easy life where she does a little housework, a little cooking, goes shopping and knows she'd never have to bust her ass for anything if she doesn't want to. She's free to pursue her interests, that is until kiddies come. You better believe it that in return the traditional guy expects her to behave as he sees fit, and doesn't take sh!t from her. He might treat her as his personal property (during sex, and you better believe how much she loves just that). Most women would happily trade places with "traditional" guys wife.

Now, how many guys would trade place with modern woman's husband? Only the complete retards.

OR two people can find what arrangement works best for BOTH of them in their relationship.
You're assuming the "modern woman's" life wouldn't be happy as well. It all depends on what we value as individuals.

If a man thought of me as personal property and didn't treat me like a person with wants, needs, thoughts, etc. I wouldn't care if he was raining money on me, hired a full-time housekeeper for me, or gave me all the material things I could possibly want, I would walk because he wouldn't be giving me the most important tangible of all...respect.

That's what Sip was talking about... I can take care of myself, so I don't need to tolerate that kind of thing.
On the plus side, the guy I end up will know that I'm with him because I genuinely love him and not being "taken care of."

[Sip]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Hmm, a traditional guys wife = wife has an easy life where she does a little housework, a little cooking, goes shopping and knows she'd never have to bust her ass for anything if she doesn't want to. ...

If the traditional wife had it soooooooo good, why did feminism come about? Why did so many women embrace this change so whole heartedly? Were they, are they, all idiots? Did they all make irrational decisions?

[levon]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Come on .. be honest ... you copied this out of one of those generic self evaluation quizes out of a women's magazine, right? The language sort of reminds me of the "horoscope" type drivels that you see all over the place

Hmm. Time for a career change. I should start writing for a women's magazine and make tons more money since everyone knows most women are complete idiots over horoscopes.

I haven't followed this thread much but I could only hope there are a lot more women in academia like Siggie. And for the record, "ending up alone" is really not so bad if the alternative is ending up with a "traditional" type of guy that treats women like his property.

Hmm, a traditional guys wife = wife has an easy life where she does a little housework, a little cooking, goes shopping and knows she'd never have to bust her ass for anything if she doesn't want to. She's free to pursue her interests, that is until kiddies come. You better believe it that in return the traditional guy expects her to behave as he sees fit, and doesn't take sh!t from her. He might treat her as his personal property (during sex, and you better believe how much she loves just that). Most women would happily trade places with "traditional" guys wife.

Now, how many guys would trade place with modern woman's husband? Only the complete retards.