Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

What I'm more curious about is how all these alleged "prostitute" women will turn out when they feel like settling down and having a family...

I mean, seriously, do you think that desire comes from traditional Armenian culture and is under attack in the west? If that were the case, people wouldn't be getting married at all.

The reasons divorces happen is because both the man and the women probably did not figure each other, nor themselves, before they tied the knot. Maybe you prefer a society where people don't need to figure themselves out, and let fear of being socially ostracized or punished figure it out for them.

The reason divorces happen is because it has become a part of western society. Most kids' parents are divorced by the time they are 18. It's part of their life cycle. They see this as the norm so they expect that it's something they will experience in their lifetime. The guys see average women as prostitutes that are less likely to have sexually transmitted diseases than actual prostitutes so to them, that's marriage material. The girls don't really have a father figure so they naturally have negative attitudes towards the opposite sex. They really don't have any choice in the matter since that is the society they live in.

[Mos]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

You still dont get it. It will not matter who is reproducing more effectively when overpopulation will destroy our world. In the end does it matter if the last person on earth to die is white, black , brown, or orange? If the traditional values you speak of mean having lots of kids then it is that traditional value that will doom humanity thus either way your argument makes no rational sense. You are basically saying o look the muslims are like the lemmings running the fastest to suicide dive off the cliff so lets join them.

So you are more concerned about overpopulation? Traditional values doesn't mean having many kids, though the family oriented structure of such values generally tends to produce more kids. And I don't really see how Muslims are diving off any cliff. They are doing quite well actually, and Muslim religiosity is only increasing.

Exactly. They just claim that that's how to produce the qualities they desire, but they really have no idea. If all it took was preserving the existing traditional values, we wouldn't see what we're seeing in Armenia. It should not be the diasporan Armenian tourists who are more modestly dressed and wearing no/light makeup. And in my own personal experience (i.e. subject to confirmation bias, representativeness heuristic, etc.), I have observed that Hayastanci women tend to be more aggressive too, which last I checked isn't what their lot would call a "feminine" trait.

My parents raised me to value education and that knowledge is power, treat others with respect, that success requires hard work and effort, and to be self-reliant, and they most certainly did not impose any gender rules. I (and they) think I turned out just fine.

They really hammered home the self-reliance. They never implied that I'd need to wait to marry to have anything (car, home, etc.). On the contrary, my dad is very fond of saying that when you fall, you don't look to others for help, you put your hand on your knee, and you stand up. Consequently, I've never looked to anyone else to provide for me which also means that I don't evaluate guys on the basis of what material things they can provide for me. I don't need that. I can provide for myself in that regard. What I looked for instead is how well we get along, what we have in common, how complementary our personalities are, etc. You know, all the rest of that stuff that's more important for long-term success in one's relationship.

I agree with you that there are Hayastanci women (esp Yerevanci) that are being influenced by these Western lifestyles/fashion and thus acting in such a foreign manner. They are obsessed with showing off their body, which I think is really shameful. Fortunately, many Hayastanci women are not like that, but they are on the increase. Such girls tend to be very materialistic, not very family oriented or patriotic, though most importantly, it's quite sad their materialism. It's like they worship those materials more than God. Reminds me of Paganism, in the end, what has to be worshipped above everything else is God, not materials, your shoes, clothes, but God almighty or else your society turns into a neo-paganist cesspool.

[Siggie]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Well all that overprotecting leads girls to either grow up naive or spoiled or both. Mistaking naiveness with modesty is a mistake in intself. I also value modesty but i do not like overprotected spoiled bratts like the ones i went to school with in AGBU. Not that they were all bad but they were definetely overprotected, overdressed, overpampered, over..... yet despite being raised in such traditional manner most of these young women wouldnt know modesty if they saw it hell some even became lesbos. The one that became a lesbo was definetly lesbo all along before even she knew it so you see it has nothing to do with how you are raised. You dont turn gay just because you saw a gay parade go byeither.

Exactly. They just claim that that's how to produce the qualities they desire, but they really have no idea. If all it took was preserving the existing traditional values, we wouldn't see what we're seeing in Armenia. It should not be the diasporan Armenian tourists who are more modestly dressed and wearing no/light makeup. And in my own personal experience (i.e. subject to confirmation bias, representativeness heuristic, etc.), I have observed that Hayastanci women tend to be more aggressive too, which last I checked isn't what their lot would call a "feminine" trait.

My parents raised me to value education and that knowledge is power, treat others with respect, that success requires hard work and effort, and to be self-reliant, and they most certainly did not impose any gender rules. I (and they) think I turned out just fine.

They really hammered home the self-reliance. They never implied that I'd need to wait to marry to have anything (car, home, etc.). On the contrary, my dad is very fond of saying that when you fall, you don't look to others for help, you put your hand on your knee, and you stand up. Consequently, I've never looked to anyone else to provide for me which also means that I don't evaluate guys on the basis of what material things they can provide for me. I don't need that. I can provide for myself in that regard. What I looked for instead is how well we get along, what we have in common, how complementary our personalities are, etc. You know, all the rest of that stuff that's more important for long-term success in one's relationship.

[Haykakan]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

You still dont get it. It will not matter who is reproducing more effectively when overpopulation will destroy our world. In the end does it matter if the last person on earth to die is white, black , brown, or orange? If the traditional values you speak of mean having lots of kids then it is that traditional value that will doom humanity thus either way your argument makes no rational sense. You are basically saying o look the muslims are like the lemmings running the fastest to suicide dive off the cliff so lets join them.

[Mos]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Why west is unable to reproduce its indigenous population and is doomed to extinction?

The demographics of Western European countries are a disaster, while the newer immigrants in Western Europe (mostly Muslim immigrants) are multiplying rather quickly. Europe has it's ultra left, liberal ideals to blame for its situation now, nothing else. I mean what else can you say when you have perverted societies like that of Amsterdam?

[gegev]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Why west is unable to reproduce its indigenous population and is doomed to extinction?

Why the developed countries are facing demographic crisis?

Alas their culture and indigenous population soon will be eradicated out of earth and the area will be populated by immigrants of other nationalities with strong family values that preach healthy/natural women ideologies.

The reason isn't poverty or lack of "democracy".

West is on the way of carrying out suicide if the current feminist ideologies are not changed soon.

Everything unnatural goes down in nature! Unnatural things/creatures can't reproduce themselves.

[Haykakan]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Currently there are over 7 billion people on this planet thus population control is the right thing to do and should be done by all countries. If all the people that are alive today lived like people in USA then we would need two planet earths to sustain such a scenario. The situation in India and Muslim countries is simply suicidal to all of humanity and the european life style is much more correct because the world has too many people in it already. In Armenia the main problem is not reproduction-the main problem is economic. To sustain a population you need to produce 2.5 children per female and many of the european countries are below this level and that is a good thing because it is a sensible way to control human population but the fact that this is not done in other countries is the big problem and not the opposite scenario like you state. Think about it-if we all reproduced like Indians and muslims this world would come to an end much faster then it already is-this is a lesson China understands well. Sure one of the roles for a female is reproduction but this is also true for males as a matter of fact part of the reason populations are coming down has to do with growing male infertility. You cant just blame everything on globalization and the west-sure those things have done bad things but they have done good things to but you have to understand a particular problem for what it is and deal with it in a logical manner instead of just saying yeh xxxxx its all your fault.

I don't see any reasonable argument "produced" by our wise opponents on my question - "Why west is unable to reproduce itself and is doomed to extinction?"

I claim the main cause of it is the "modern/democratic" feminist ideology that ruins the society. I think you may agree that in the reproduction function women and their ideological orientations are carrying out main roles.

[gegev]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

I don't see any reasonable argument "produced" by our wise opponents on my question - "Why west is unable to reproduce itself and is doomed to extinction?"

I claim the main cause of it is the "modern/democratic" feminist ideology that ruins the society. I think you may agree that in the reproduction function women and their ideological orientations are carrying out main roles.

Why the developed countries are facing demographic crisis?

Alas their culture and indigenous population soon will be eradicated out of earth and the area will be populated by immigrants of other nationalities with strong family values that preach healthy/natural women ideologies.

The reason isn't poverty or lack of "democracy".

West is on the way of carrying out suicide if the current feminist ideologies are not changed soon.

Everything unnatural goes down in nature! Unnatural things/creatures can't reproduce themselves.

[Mos]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Well all that overprotecting leads girls to either grow up naive or spoiled or both. Mistaking naiveness with modesty is a mistake in intself. I also value modesty but i do not like overprotected spoiled bratts like the ones i went to school with in AGBU. Not that they were all bad but they were definetely overprotected, overdressed, overpampered, over..... yet despite being raised in such traditional manner most of these young women wouldnt know modesty if they saw it hell some even became lesbos. The one that became a lesbo was definetly lesbo all along before even she knew it so you see it has nothing to do with how you are raised. You dont turn gay just because you saw a gay parade go byeither.

Well I can't speak for those girls nor do I know how they were raised or what values they have. All I can say is that our conservative Christian culture professes traditional gender roles, modesty, and a heavy reliance/connection with family. This is a very clear difference from the more liberal, Western societies. As globalisation takes place, I,like many other Armenians, don't want this culture to be corrupted. In Islamic societies, there's a much firmer barrier against such erosion/corruption of values because the hold that Islam has in people's lives and society in general is stronger. In a Christian society, it's a bit different, and people themselves have to be active in making sure their customs and values are maintained and preserved.

[Haykakan]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Well all that overprotecting leads girls to either grow up naive or spoiled or both. Mistaking naiveness with modesty is a mistake in intself. I also value modesty but i do not like overprotected spoiled bratts like the ones i went to school with in AGBU. Not that they were all bad but they were definetely overprotected, overdressed, overpampered, over..... yet despite being raised in such traditional manner most of these young women wouldnt know modesty if they saw it hell some even became lesbos. The one that became a lesbo was definetly lesbo all along before even she knew it so you see it has nothing to do with how you are raised. You dont turn gay just because you saw a gay parade go byeither.