Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

[Mos]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Mos, I invite you to produce one shred of evidence to support any of that. And " many people think so too"? Really? Reality isn't voted on. And the fact that there are other who think like you isn't evidence that what you think is correct.

What kind of evidence would you want? Just take a look at Western European society now and compare it several decades before. You can even see similar changes with Armenia in one decade. Take a look at the status of the family unit in the West, the view towards women, and so forth. You can see clearly the effects of these Western liberal ideals. As for people thinking similarly, I urge you to view the counter protest by Armenian patriots against a "diversity march" that took place in the summer, and what some of those patriots were saying. They have similar concerns like I have voiced here.

[gegev]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Being with someone because you love one another and want to be together rather than "needing" the other per se. Crazy idea right? But I love it that you're concerned about the health of my relationship. Let me bask in the warmth of your well wishes for a moment too... Mmm... I invite you to return to the forum year after year until you actually have cause to be as smug as you like act. As of yet we're quite happy and smitten, thanks.
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In fact my posting here did't refer to you personally, but ...

Good luck to you and your family!!!
All the best.

[Siggie]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

I guess the vocal, independent women should marry modest, dependent men to avoid divorce.

Being with someone because you love one another and want to be together rather than "needing" the other per se. Crazy idea right? But I love it that you're concerned about the health of my relationship. Let me bask in the warmth of your well wishes for a moment too... Mmm... I invite you to return to the forum year after year until you actually have cause to be as smug as you like act. As of yet we're quite happy and smitten, thanks.


Mos, I invite you to produce one shred of evidence to support any of that. And " many people think so too"? Really? Reality isn't voted on. And the fact that there are other who think like you isn't evidence that what you think is correct.

[gegev]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Opinionated, vocal, independent, and intelligent, but at the same time, family-oriented, modest, hard working, sympathetic to others, respectful, and honest. Probably not what you'd expect out of Western culture which you guys think churns out nothing but garbage. In Armenia, it was more the locals who looked far more painted up and looking like prostitutes. So YES, I resent it when you make sweeping generalizations about Armenian women who grew up in the West and imply that women who are feminists and/or share my views wear handkerchiefs for skirts, are selfish, look down on family, and are ashamed of being Armenian. You might find this surprising, but that's incredibly offensive!

I guess the vocal, independent women should marry modest, dependent men to avoid divorce.

[Mos]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Opinionated, vocal, independent, and intelligent, but at the same time, family-oriented, modest, hard working, sympathetic to others, respectful, and honest. Probably not what you'd expect out of Western culture which you guys think churns out nothing but garbage. In Armenia, it was more the locals who looked far more painted up and looking like prostitutes. So YES, I resent it when you make sweeping generalizations about Armenian women who grew up in the West and imply that women who are feminists and/or share my views wear handkerchiefs for skirts, are selfish, look down on family, and are ashamed of being Armenian. You might find this surprising, but that's incredibly offensive!

Western culture is a general term. There are both good and bad things that come from the West. For example, the West has good principles for governance/economic principles. On the other hand, the globalised culture of "female emancipation" and the breakdown of family is something negative for our nation. Just take a look at people in places like Holland, where making a family has become a thing of the past, where women are more powerful than men, all in the name of political correctness and social liberalism. It's a dangerous development. I'm not making sweeping generalistions. Everyone in the West is not the same, everyone in Armenia is not the same, etc. but there are certain lifestyles/values that I do describe as dangerous to Armenian society, and many people agree with this. Feminism is the main agent in this movement. It's goals are taking the woman out of the family unit, vilifying men, and so forth. It's not as innocent as the term suggests. Take a look at what Feminism has done to Sweden.

I allways point out the evile things that the west does to our world but the attitude many Armos have twords women including these jokers is as "Hetamnats" as it can get. Some of the people i consider as friends in the armenian community wont allow their wives to get an education nor a job fearing they will leave them once they are empowered. There are great women everywhere but finding them is not always easy be it in Armenia or in the USA. We Armenians do not have everything figured out and we do have things to learn from others including the west.

Not really Hetamnac, all we want is to protect our society, it's values, our conservative Christian culture. We don't want our culture to be filled with foreign values, because those values will destroy our nation, destroy our religion, and our identity. With globalization our nation is at risk of being corrupted into things such as "female emancipation" and "sexual revolution"....things that have made the known West a cesspool of degraded values and customs among people.

[Haykakan]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

I allways point out the evile things that the west does to our world but the attitude many Armos have twords women including these jokers is as "Hetamnats" as it can get. Some of the people i consider as friends in the armenian community wont allow their wives to get an education nor a job fearing they will leave them once they are empowered. There are great women everywhere but finding them is not always easy be it in Armenia or in the USA. We Armenians do not have everything figured out and we do have things to learn from others including the west.

[Siggie]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

In what way do you think?



Exactly. Fortunately, not all Armenian women are like this, there are still many traditional women out there, but you can see things changing also to the bad side also. Those 'emancipated women' that look down on family, look down on their parents, look down on their religion, eventually look down on their nation, become embarrassed of being Armenian, and want to become "European". So they will in every way try to be one, including dressing very immodestly to achieve this. A woman should look like a women, a woman should have her place in society, her place in the family, a woman should respect our values and culture, and so forth. The degradation of women can lead to the degradation of your nation.

Opinionated, vocal, independent, and intelligent, but at the same time, family-oriented, modest, hard working, sympathetic to others, respectful, and honest. Probably not what you'd expect out of Western culture which you guys think churns out nothing but garbage. In Armenia, it was more the locals who looked far more painted up and looking like prostitutes. So YES, I resent it when you make sweeping generalizations about Armenian women who grew up in the West and imply that women who are feminists and/or share my views wear handkerchiefs for skirts, are selfish, look down on family, and are ashamed of being Armenian. You might find this surprising, but that's incredibly offensive!

[Mos]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Apparently, you all want to prevent them from thinking like me. What a nightmare that would be. Oh no!

In what way do you think?

Right!!! We are just against the "Rembo" women, that's it.

Women should look like women, in everything. Is it unnatural?

What's wrong in it?
Why they should be similar/equal to men?
Are they created for the same functions?
For normal Armenian women; the expression; "You look like men", is an insult.
As it is in the case of horse, when somebody says; ''You look like donkey''.

Note please that the expression above doesn't discriminate donkeys, it reinstates the fact that they are different and horse refuses putting equal sign among them.

But alas nowadays emancipated western feminists can't accept/realize this.
Because of their western/"modern" independent thinking "previlage" and "I'm my own hero" slogan. For them public opinion doesn't mean anything; they live for themselves and violating public opinion or Christian values isn't a big problem/task for them.

Exactly. Fortunately, not all Armenian women are like this, there are still many traditional women out there, but you can see things changing also to the bad side also. Those 'emancipated women' that look down on family, look down on their parents, look down on their religion, eventually look down on their nation, become embarrassed of being Armenian, and want to become "European". So they will in every way try to be one, including dressing very immodestly to achieve this. A woman should look like a women, a woman should have her place in society, her place in the family, a woman should respect our values and culture, and so forth. The degradation of women can lead to the degradation of your nation.

[gegev]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

I didn't say independent thought is the problem. The problem is having foreign values/influences corrupt your own sets of values and culture that define your nation. Nor am do we advocate isolation of women, actually we emphasize the respect for women and women are still important part of society of course.

Right!!! We are just against the "Rembo" women, that's it.

Women should look like women, in everything. Is it unnatural?

What's wrong in it?

Why they should be similar/equal to men?
Are they created for the same functions?
For normal/regular Armenian women; the expression; "You look like a men", is an insult.

As it is in the case of horse, when somebody says; ''You look like a donkey''.

Note please that the expression above doesn't discriminate donkeys, it reinstates the fact that they are different and horse refuses putting equal sign among them.

But alas nowadays emancipated western feminists can't accept/realize this.
Because of their western/"modern" independent thinking "previlage" and "I'm my own hero" slogan. For them public opinion doesn't mean anything; they live for themselves and violating public opinion or Family/Christian values isn't a big problem/task for them.

Armenian REGULAR WOMEN doesn't live for themselves; they live for their children and family; this is the main difference between them!!! Children/Family versus Ego centered ones!!!

Why a man would fall in love for half a century with the EGO centered one?????????????????????????

Just for a sex only?????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????

How is it that today's western women role models; "celebrities" fall in "love" and are getting married several times. Can you name several celebrities that are not divorced at least once. They all claim that they are getting married when they love the partner. Is it love or search for a sex partner?


And this is why the Regular Women don't understand/accept the emancipated of family/Christian values; western ones.

[Siggie]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Apparently, you all want to prevent them from thinking like me. What a nightmare that would be. Oh no!