Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

[Haykakan]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

What I'm more curious about is how all these alleged "prostitute" women will turn out when they feel like settling down and having a family...

I mean, seriously, do you think that desire comes from traditional Armenian culture and is under attack in the west? If that were the case, people wouldn't be getting married at all.

The reasons divorces happen is because both the man and the women probably did not figure each other, nor themselves, before they tied the knot. Maybe you prefer a society where people don't need to figure themselves out, and let fear of being socially ostracized or punished figure it out for them.

People would get married in the past out of neccessity more then anything else because you could not make it alone as a man or a woman. Here again technology and other forms of progress have allowed human beings to thrive and survive on their own. People get divorced more now then previous generations because they simply do not need each other as much anymore.
Mos the traditional roles you speak of work well in a traditional society but society is changing drastically thus some of these roles will also need to change. Remember the only constant is change itself.

[Mos]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Mos the traditional roles you speak of work well in a traditional society but society is changing drastically thus some of these roles will also need to change. Remember the only constant is change itself.

Sure there's always change, but you can still maintain your core values, gender roles, family values, in spite of all this change. Any society that transforms its culture as a responce to globalised influence is a weak one and that culture won't survive long if its fundamental core can change in such a way. Case example, during that "diversity parade" in Yerevan during the summer, many patriotic Youth went out to counter demonstrate against this parade which seeks to transform Armenia society with such foreign, anti-Armenian, destructive values: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdi1w...eature=related (and note the organizer of that parade was a Western Armenian from diaspora).

Jeff, there's nothing to figure out when you're not required or encouraged to think at all. Their utopia involves automatons who are programmed to act a certain way and there is no deviation.

I think we need to cease trying to understand their position in terms of logic and evidence because that's not the basis for the argument. The basis for their argument is ignorance, insecurity, intolerance, and hate.

For a case example, just look at that "diversity parade" that took place during the summer in Yerevan. See what the patriots are saying about their goals and concerns about such outside groups trying to radically change Armenian society into something it isn't. Our mother's, sisters, wives are a blessing for us and want our blessings to be protected from the some of the corrupt values that come from the West. I wouldn't want my daughter, for example, to be taken over by these values, see how her mentality allows other men to take advantage of her, see her used, see her thinking that showing skin is the right thing to do, or for her to think having a family and being connected to your family is a thing of the past, and for her to know that I'm always there to protect her and help her make the right choices in life. There's no hate or ignorance in this. It's a desire to retain traditional values in spite of globalisation and cultural change in the world.

[Siggie]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Sure there's always change, but you can still maintain your core values, gender roles, family values, in spite of all this change. Any society that transforms its culture as a responce to globalised influence is a weak one and that culture won't survive long if its fundamental core can change in such a way. Case example, during that "diversity parade" in Yerevan during the summer, many patriotic Youth went out to counter demonstrate against this parade which seeks to transform Armenia society with such foreign, anti-Armenian, destructive values: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdi1w...eature=related (and note the organizer of that parade was a Western Armenian from diaspora).



For a case example, just look at that "diversity parade" that took place during the summer in Yerevan. See what the patriots are saying about their goals and concerns about such outside groups trying to radically change Armenian society into something it isn't. Our mother's, sisters, wives are a blessing for us and want our blessings to be protected from the some of the corrupt values that come from the West. I wouldn't want my daughter, for example, to be taken over by these values, see how her mentality allows other men to take advantage of her, see her used, see her thinking that showing skin is the right thing to do, or for her to think having a family and being connected to your family is a thing of the past, and for her to know that I'm always there to protect her and help her make the right choices in life. There's no hate or ignorance in this. It's a desire to retain traditional values in spite of globalisation and cultural change in the world.

Just as you are able to cope with those things coming from the West, so too can your daughter, sister, and mother. I don't see you guys expressing concern over the boys growing up with western influence and advocating that we limit their freedoms in order to dictate their values, beliefs, and behavior.

And what are the non-curruptive messages and values that are coming from elsewhere? What are the values you want women to have? What are the values you want men to have?

[Mos]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Just as you are able to cope with those things coming from the West, so too can your daughter, sister, and mother. I don't see you guys expressing concern over the boys growing up with western influence and advocating that we limit their freedoms in order to dictate their values, beliefs, and behavior.

You need to give your daughter guidance and protection in order to make sure she grows up right and with good values. With good parenting it's possible. Well when it comes to males, there are negative influences that can affect them also (though can affect females also). For example, some of the dangerous cults (satanic, goths, etc), many of these "alternative cultures" advocated rebellion and are anti-family in nature, they also advocate against religious values. You have in a similar manner homosexuality. And the list goes on.

And what are the non-curruptive messages and values that are coming from elsewhere? What are the values you want women to have? What are the values you want men to have?

The non-corruptive 'messages' is protecting what our already established culture and traditions. I want women to remain how they are according to our culture and conservative Christian values. I highly value the modest of women in both dress and behaviour, the values of being family-oriented, the value (to an extent) of innocence, and knowing their traditional place in society. I'm not asking for change really, all of this we have and is part of our culture, always has been, just asking that our culture and traditions not be corrupted.

[Haykakan]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Well all that overprotecting leads girls to either grow up naive or spoiled or both. Mistaking naiveness with modesty is a mistake in intself. I also value modesty but i do not like overprotected spoiled bratts like the ones i went to school with in AGBU. Not that they were all bad but they were definetely overprotected, overdressed, overpampered, over..... yet despite being raised in such traditional manner most of these young women wouldnt know modesty if they saw it hell some even became lesbos. The one that became a lesbo was definetly lesbo all along before even she knew it so you see it has nothing to do with how you are raised. You dont turn gay just because you saw a gay parade go byeither.

[Mos]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Well all that overprotecting leads girls to either grow up naive or spoiled or both. Mistaking naiveness with modesty is a mistake in intself. I also value modesty but i do not like overprotected spoiled bratts like the ones i went to school with in AGBU. Not that they were all bad but they were definetely overprotected, overdressed, overpampered, over..... yet despite being raised in such traditional manner most of these young women wouldnt know modesty if they saw it hell some even became lesbos. The one that became a lesbo was definetly lesbo all along before even she knew it so you see it has nothing to do with how you are raised. You dont turn gay just because you saw a gay parade go byeither.

Well I can't speak for those girls nor do I know how they were raised or what values they have. All I can say is that our conservative Christian culture professes traditional gender roles, modesty, and a heavy reliance/connection with family. This is a very clear difference from the more liberal, Western societies. As globalisation takes place, I,like many other Armenians, don't want this culture to be corrupted. In Islamic societies, there's a much firmer barrier against such erosion/corruption of values because the hold that Islam has in people's lives and society in general is stronger. In a Christian society, it's a bit different, and people themselves have to be active in making sure their customs and values are maintained and preserved.

[gegev]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

I don't see any reasonable argument "produced" by our wise opponents on my question - "Why west is unable to reproduce itself and is doomed to extinction?"

I claim the main cause of it is the "modern/democratic" feminist ideology that ruins the society. I think you may agree that in the reproduction function women and their ideological orientations are carrying out main roles.

Why the developed countries are facing demographic crisis?

Alas their culture and indigenous population soon will be eradicated out of earth and the area will be populated by immigrants of other nationalities with strong family values that preach healthy/natural women ideologies.

The reason isn't poverty or lack of "democracy".

West is on the way of carrying out suicide if the current feminist ideologies are not changed soon.

Everything unnatural goes down in nature! Unnatural things/creatures can't reproduce themselves.

[Haykakan]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Currently there are over 7 billion people on this planet thus population control is the right thing to do and should be done by all countries. If all the people that are alive today lived like people in USA then we would need two planet earths to sustain such a scenario. The situation in India and Muslim countries is simply suicidal to all of humanity and the european life style is much more correct because the world has too many people in it already. In Armenia the main problem is not reproduction-the main problem is economic. To sustain a population you need to produce 2.5 children per female and many of the european countries are below this level and that is a good thing because it is a sensible way to control human population but the fact that this is not done in other countries is the big problem and not the opposite scenario like you state. Think about it-if we all reproduced like Indians and muslims this world would come to an end much faster then it already is-this is a lesson China understands well. Sure one of the roles for a female is reproduction but this is also true for males as a matter of fact part of the reason populations are coming down has to do with growing male infertility. You cant just blame everything on globalization and the west-sure those things have done bad things but they have done good things to but you have to understand a particular problem for what it is and deal with it in a logical manner instead of just saying yeh xxxxx its all your fault.

I don't see any reasonable argument "produced" by our wise opponents on my question - "Why west is unable to reproduce itself and is doomed to extinction?"

I claim the main cause of it is the "modern/democratic" feminist ideology that ruins the society. I think you may agree that in the reproduction function women and their ideological orientations are carrying out main roles.

[gegev]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Why west is unable to reproduce its indigenous population and is doomed to extinction?

Why the developed countries are facing demographic crisis?

Alas their culture and indigenous population soon will be eradicated out of earth and the area will be populated by immigrants of other nationalities with strong family values that preach healthy/natural women ideologies.

The reason isn't poverty or lack of "democracy".

West is on the way of carrying out suicide if the current feminist ideologies are not changed soon.

Everything unnatural goes down in nature! Unnatural things/creatures can't reproduce themselves.

[Mos]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Why west is unable to reproduce its indigenous population and is doomed to extinction?

The demographics of Western European countries are a disaster, while the newer immigrants in Western Europe (mostly Muslim immigrants) are multiplying rather quickly. Europe has it's ultra left, liberal ideals to blame for its situation now, nothing else. I mean what else can you say when you have perverted societies like that of Amsterdam?