Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

[Siggie]

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But no one is saying that. Dressing modestly doesn't entail wearing a burka (in our culture at least). In many Armenian families, the daughter will be reprimanded if she goes out dressed very openly. She also won't be allowed to go to dances/clubs where men can grab her and touch her (these are the places where such women are taken advantage of, and regret for the rest of their life). These things have nothing to do with Taliban, they are normal customs of a traditional Armenian society, where women are respected and not objectified like they are in the West often. Women are to be respected as the holders of family, respected for their elegance and modesty, not viewed as a tool to be used then thrown away in order to use another such woman.

She won't go where men can grab her and touch her? You mean she won't ever be leaving the house then? No, wait that would allow men in still. I guess not in the company of men.

That might be the way you think, but it's not how all men think. Many do objectify and do not respect. Why not work on fixing that? Because we might end up at a burka when you find that the modest dressing doesn't end it.

[Mos]

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She won't go where men can grab her and touch her? You mean she won't ever be leaving the house then? No, wait that would allow men in still. I guess not in the company of men.

That might be the way you think, but it's not how all men think. Many do objectify and do not respect. Why not work on fixing that? Because we might end up at a burka when you find that the modest dressing doesn't end it.

I doubt men are going to be touching and grabbing her in the streets. While in a dance club, you will have men taking advantage of women there, both sober and drunk. I think it's pretty clear

And how do you fix a inherent mindset of society? Women are objectified a lot in Western society, seen as sex objects, something to 'conquer'. Rather women should be highly respected and valued as holders of the family, modest, and pure. This is something not coming from just a few conservative people but coming from our religion and the divine word of God in the Bible that lays this out.

Dressing modestly is a way to shield you from this vulgar mindset, it is a way to give yourself and your body respect. It is a way not to present your body as a tool, but as a respectable person.

[gegev]

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Dressing modestly is a way to shield you from this vulgar mindset, it is a way to give yourself and your body respect. It is a way not to present your body as a tool, but as a respectable person.

I like this description.

[Siggie]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

I doubt men are going to be touching and grabbing her in the streets. While in a dance club, you will have men taking advantage of women there, both sober and drunk. I think it's pretty clear

Yeah, it's very clear and putting a winkie at the end doesn't make it cute.

You're correcting me? Women get groped at work, school, taking public transportation,etc.; you think it doesn't happen anywhere but the clubs?
No, clearly you know better what it is to be a woman, so by all means educate me as to the dangers of being a woman.

[Mos]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Yeah, it's very clear and putting a winkie at the end doesn't make it cute.

You're correcting me? Women get groped at work, school, taking public transportation,etc.; you think it doesn't happen anywhere but the clubs?
No, clearly you know better what it is to be a woman, so by all means educate me as to the dangers of being a woman.

Not saying it's cute (winkie wasn't intended for that). I'm just saying it's clear what's on people mind in such dance clubs when they say girls dancing and having a good time. They will thus physically interact with them more intimately.

Yeah it might happen from time to time by some lunatics, but not at the frequency as at such dance events where drunk men will take it as the norm. A women dressed openely, going and dancing at a dance club, drinking etc. gives a much different "vibe" and "feeling" than a woman, dressed normally, walking to class or work.

[Siggie]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Not saying it's cute (winkie wasn't intended for that). I'm just saying it's clear what's on people mind in such dance clubs when they say girls dancing and having a good time. They will thus physically interact with them more intimately.

Yeah it might happen from time to time by some lunatics, but not at the frequency as at such dance events where drunk men will take it as the norm. A women dressed openely, going and dancing at a dance club, drinking etc. gives a much different "vibe" and "feeling" than a woman, dressed normally, walking to class or work.

Ooooh okay. I see the distinction now. With clubs the risk is at an unacceptable level which requires women stay away. With work, school, grocery shopping, etc., we just have to tolerate it when it happens "from time to time" and not see it as a reason to discuss why this might signal a larger concern about societal attitudes towards women.

[Mos]

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Ooooh okay. I see the distinction now. With clubs the risk is at an unacceptable level which requires women stay away. With work, school, grocery shopping, etc., we just have to tolerate it when it happens "from time to time" and not see it as a reason to discuss why this might signal a larger concern about societal attitudes towards women.

But how can you compare the two? How can you compare a woman going into a night club, where there is drinking, dancing, men trying to take advantage of girls, and so on...with a supermarket setting?

It's rather unfortunate though that women in their 20s waste their time/life at such dance clubs, drink, get used in all sorts of ways, all for a very temporary "kayf" that they desire. Much better way to spend such nights is with your family, with your kids, and husband, the real pleasure in life comes from your loved ones, the people you care for and the people in return care for you. People who try to find pleasure in things such as nightclubs and other such activities, usually don't go far.

[Siggie]

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But how can you compare the two? How can you compare a woman going into a night club, where there is drinking, dancing, men trying to take advantage of girls, and so on...with a supermarket setting?

It's rather unfortunate though that women in their 20s waste their time/life at such dance clubs, drink, get used in all sorts of ways, all for a very temporary "kayf" that they desire. Much better way to spend such nights is with your family, with your kids, and husband, the real pleasure in life comes from your loved ones, the people you care for and the people in return care for you. People who try to find pleasure in things such as nightclubs and other such activities, usually don't go far.

You just dismissed what I said and moved right on to "repeat same old track."
Where do we find people who care that women are being harassed and assaulted in the setting I mentioned too?

[Mos]

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You just dismissed what I said and moved right on to "repeat same old track."
Where do we find people who care that women are being harassed and assaulted in the setting I mentioned too?

I dismissed it because I find it ridiculous to compare going to supermarket with going to a night club. Whole different environment, whole different mindsets, whole different crowd.

Women getting harassed anywhere is reprehensible. The person though who should respond should be the woman's husband, father, or brother, as they are her natural protectors.

[gegev]

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Dressing modestly is a way to shield you from this vulgar mindset, it is a way to give yourself and your body respect. It is a way not to present your body as a tool, but as a respectable person.

There is a “modern western” notion; sexy women. “Civilized and Developed women” consider it as the highest level of praise. But the majority of the Standard Armenian women, I’m familiar with, take it as an insult.

They find that it should be used only when referring to animals, because for a women human being it can’t be considered as the most important distinguishing feature (used in press and advertising), as it is in the animal world. For human beings it don’t take first place in terms of importance … although for some it does. Regular women don’t point out their body parts to provoke other men, as the prostitutes do. As refers to her husband she will do it at night, separately … you know.

I think that the women, who are eager to show up greater part of their breast and the legs … up to the point, will consider the majority of Armenians in homeland as “backward men/husbands”, who are reluctant to share the licence of watching their wife beautiful body parts with other men. Sorry for our under-developedness.

But we are not against, very much, watching the “developed women” that are not related to us. Thus we are not that "backward"!