Armenia for Armenians

[Mos]

Re: Armenia for Armenians

Well the point of this thread was regarding, the increasing amount of Iranians that are moving and settling in Armenia, and marrying local women, in the process converting the women and children to Islam. For a small country like ours (with a very low birth rate!) this is a big problem, and we have to control it immediately, or else the conclusion is going to be very bad. The ethnic minorities in our country have to be kept at a minimum - and Armenians from abroad rather encouraged to move to Armenia. A friend told me that increasing amount of babies born in the Yerevan hospitals are born to Persian fathers. Armenia is a nation for Armenians, and we have to keep it that way.

[KanadaHye]

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I think jgk3 put it together rather well. The only reason Europe works so well without people abiding by 'outdated' religious rules is because they are controlled by the wealthy who have imposed a socialistic system onto the people. As long as you're working, you're taken care of by the system so you don't have to worry about how you live as there are no advantages or disadvantages either way. When the bankers start reeling in on the debt, Europe will fall so far into poverty that it will make the dark ages seem bright.

[jgk3]

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The difference is that the people in Europe had their Age of Enlightment and saw that many religious rules are outdated.

Only because they realized it's more profitable to become bankers and control the economy (and peoples' lives) with loans, than to wage wars. In the meantime, they happily colonized the world under the guise of peace and progress, and extinguished entire nations of aboriginals wherever they went. And the whole time, they exported a Christianity highly intolerant of these heathen savages.

So in a sense, it became understood that internal religious wars were outdated, only because there was nothing worthwhile to plunder in Europe. Everyone's hands were stained with so much blood, but the Age of Enlightment was an occaison to cover this bloody hand with a nice, clean white glove to show off, without ever truly washing ones' own hand.

[Surenas]

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Iran is a theocratic state and Muslim women in Iran aren't allowed to marry a non-Muslim men. The problem with Islam is that it isn't a reasonable religion and it expects everything on it's own terms. Which is no small part of the reason why it is always in conflict with other faiths and cultures.

I'm not a Muslim, but I think this hypocrite. If you look a the Old Testament, Christianity is just as disgusting as the Islam is. God who's order to genocide, girls who are being raped and the dead penalty for breaking the Sabbath. Are you willing to discuss that that kind of things are reasonable? Christianity had also their problems with other faiths and cultures in their past and is at the beginning of many wars. The difference is that the people in Europe had their Age of Enlightment and saw that many religious rules are outdated. I truly support such kind of revolution in the Islamic world, but I think eventually it would happen. Personally, I don't can understand how a modern person can believe in such fairy tales.

[Surenas]

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I'm Iranian, atheist and I think you are a idiot. I have read some of your reactions in several topics and I think something as common sense is totally missing in your brains. You just keep throwing absurd claims in every topic on Iranians that I'm feeling forced to response on it.

You compare the situation in Europe with the situation in Armenia. I'm living in Europe (Netherlands) and you don't know where your talking about. The problem we have in Europe with immigrants, and I'm referring to the Netherlands now, is the fact that they have problems to integrate in this society. The problems we have is with major immigrant groups like the Turks and Moroccans. The fact that they have huge language problems, bad education, high crime rate, sitting on welfare and brought their intolerant religion, the Islam, here. In fact, the only non-western immigrant group who don't have a problem to integrate here (also in Germany, Sweden and Belgium) are the Iranians. More than 50% of the Iranian students attains a university. Even the Netherlanders can reach such kind of percentage. For all I know, the Iranians don't make such problems in your country. They don't profit on your community money, they don't rape your women and they don't have problems to integrate or accept the Armenian culture. Your talking about a bigger influence of Islam in Armenia. You showing that you don't know nothing about the Iranians. The Iranians aren't so religious as many people think they are. Especially in Iran the regime has ensured that many Iranians cherish a big aversion on religion. Only 1.4% of the Iranians attains Friday prayers and the mullah regime doesn't have any connection with the Iranian youth any more. Its absurd do think that the Iranians who go to Armenia to taste a little bit of freedom and escape Islamic morality bring the Islam with them to convert the Armenians.

Aren't you the one who keeps a great respect for the European culture? Being tolerant to other cultures is also a great value that is common here in Europe. The Netherlands wouldn't have had their empire if they didn't accept other cultures make a contribution to their country. In fact, thanks to the Sephardic J ews, French Huguenots and German Lutherans Holland had that kind of wealth in their golden age. Read Amy Chua's book on hyperpowers and why they were capable to create such kind of power. The key word is: tolerant.

"Amy Chua smartly condenses the complex histories of the Persian, Mughal, Dutch, and other empires into an irresistable argument: that empires expand through toleration and contract through close-mindedness. As with any shrewd and elaborate argument, the getting there is half the fun."

Then your talking about Iranian men who date Armenian girls. First of all, is it that the Armenian women have lost their sense and can't think on their own anymore? For all I know, all women are perfectly capable to reject any man if they want to. And if a Armenian girl wants to date a non-Armenian I think it's her decision and you have to respect that. And if you don't, you are behaving yourself like Mullahs who also talk about such moral nonsense.

Yeah, Armenia for Armenians. With that kind of mentality your fellow countrymen where denied to seek refuge in Iran when they were killed and oppressed in other countries. With that kind of anti-Iranian rhetoric you keep the Iranians away of your country and so you will destroy every form of economic relationship between the two countries/people. I think you are little bit of jealous. I wonder which country in the region would start that kind of relationship with Armenia. You don't have that many friends in the region, am I right? I don't want to offend you or other Armenians on this forum, who aren't so shortsighted and xenophobe like you are, but maybe you could show some respect.

Greetings to all sensible Armenians!

[londontsi]

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I'm sure the woman in Iran can get hanged if she marries a non-Muslim.....


Well if state laws are governed by Sharia law, and it's strictly forbidden for women to marry non-muslim men, than the result is rather predictable...

I think they should change the law and hang every Armenian man who has a "wish" to marry an Iranian woman.

And to be fair they should hang every Armenian woman who marries an Iranian man.

This is the only time I would "advocate" such a thing in addition to treachery ofcourse.

[Mos]

Re: Armenia for Armenians

Well if state laws are governed by Sharia law, and it's strictly forbidden for women to marry non-muslim men, than the result is rather predictable...

[londontsi]

Re: Armenia for Armenians

I'm sure the woman in Iran can get hanged if she marries a non-Muslim...

How many Iranian women have been hanged for that so for?

[Mos]

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I'm sure the woman in Iran can get hanged if she marries a non-Muslim...

[lampron]

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Iranians I have met have told me that many Iranians were not happy about converting to Islam 1000 years ago or so.
There are secular Iranians and there must be others who are strict Muslims. According to some reports Iran has a lively underground art and fashion scene, where people experiment and try to fuse western/eastern styles.
The western media has generally given Iran a negative image (positive news from Russia, Africa and some other parts of the world is also rare).
This is driven by politics.
I'm sure some Iranians can marry who they like and their parents support them in this decision. It all depends on the cultural attitudes of the particular family. Iranians living abroad probably have more freedom of choice