Armenia for Armenians

[londontsi]

Re: Armenia for Armenians

Just because one is not pro-dashnak doesn't make him an idiot. It's the person who thinks all real Armenians are dashnaks who's the real moron. All the points I've made are reasonable, either attempt to refute them or stop with the personal insults, and it just shows you have no argument left and thus have resorted to more immature means.

I am not pro dashnag at all.

The reason you qualify for the adjective used is the incoherent views you express when one day you are “patriotic”
next you are anti-Armenian or part Anti-Armenian, anti-Russian, Anti-Iranian, next you want to marry an Iranian,
you have relations with the President and his clique and it goes on and on.

Ok If you prefer I will call you a “barab dagar”

[Mos]

Re: Armenia for Armenians

I have never been classed or posed as an intellectual.

However I must admit I find debating with idiots extremely difficult.
I guess most posters here would have similar shortcoming.

That is why the very few posters of Mos-es calibre seem to have a free hand.

Just because one is not pro-dashnak doesn't make him an idiot. It's the person who thinks all real Armenians are dashnaks who's the real moron. All the points I've made are reasonable, either attempt to refute them or stop with the personal insults, and it just shows you have no argument left and thus have resorted to more immature means.

[londontsi]

Re: Armenia for Armenians

But to me what is sad is how the supposed intellectuals on this board always let the likes of mos get away unapposed with posting dangerous and obnoxious opinions in public. They are the same people who, on a wider stage, just silently hunker down in their bunkers whenever any difficult issue arises.

I have never been classed or posed as an intellectual.

However I must admit I find debating with idiots extremely difficult.
I guess most posters here would have similar shortcoming.

That is why the very few posters of Mos-es calibre seem to have a free hand.

[Mos]

Re: Armenia for Armenians

Can you please quote the law book or any other source. Because I know your talking out of your ass.

As citizens of Armenia, Diasporan Armenians will gain the right to vote, the right to buy and own land, enjoy legal protections of private property laws,

Property laws in Armenia
A friend's parent was in Armenia back in Fall, and he wanted to buy a piece of land in Broshian city.
Broshian is 12 Km from core, downtown Yerevan. He left and Nigol purchased it for them.
A couple of months later we met in Toronto, they wanted to buy, Nigol was ready to sell. Then they called the Armenian embassy.
Someone, (consul?) told them that as they were not Armenian citizens they could not buy/own land in Armenia.
Hello, we're not Armenian citizens and we own land in Armenia. Would our friends believe us?

My uncle is not talking out of his ass, he knows the property laws very well, better than anybody on this forum.

Do you know how retarded you sound? Time after time you prove that you know nothing, every time you open your mouth only BS comes out of it. You try to sound high and mighty with relatives that are close to the ruling bodies and say that you'll soon join them and one post there after you say that you hate them. You're nothing more than troll
so stop the trolling.

And tell me how migration laws are retarded? Every country has them. Either say something substantial or stop with the personal attacks, it's really immature.

Apparently in this forum, if you aren't an axpar dashnak, you are the enemy of the armenian people. If you disagree with dashnak politics all of a sudden you're equivalent to a Turk. It's really getting ridiculous.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Armenia for Armenians

There are already laws in place that require a person to be Armenian citizen to own land in Armenia. A Turk can buy a building, but that land isn't his, government has the right to take it if necessary. My uncle owns many stores throughout Armenia and he knows these laws very well.

Can you please quote the law book or any other source. Because I know your talking out of your ass.

Second, there are migration laws in EU as well, Armenia has very minimal migration laws, and even though what I said is filled with passion and exaggerated (raping, national security, etc.), the remedy to that is/should be in accordance with EU. And that can be done with sensible migration laws that aim at keeping an adequate balance between foreign population and Armenian population.

Europeans nor Armenians want Turks flooding their respective countries, and both of us should use legal means in preventing that, and I believe it's possible and already is being done.

Do you know how retarded you sound? Time after time you prove that you know nothing, every time you open your mouth only BS comes out of it. You try to sound high and mighty with relatives that are close to the ruling bodies and say that you'll soon join them and one post there after you say that you hate them. You're nothing more than troll
so stop the trolling.

[Mos]

Re: Armenia for Armenians

And his avatar says even more - a ripped-off EU flag, while he spouts out nonsense that, if ever made reality, would guarantee Armenia could not only never becomes an EU member but would be expelled from every EU-related organisation and treaty. And of course, in just a slighty different form, that proposed reality is being promoted by an organisation at the very heart of Armenia - the Armenian Church.

But to me what is sad is how the supposed intellectuals on this board always let the likes of mos get away unapposed with posting dangerous and obnoxious opinions in public. They are the same people who, on a wider stage, just silently hunker down in their bunkers whenever any difficult issue arises.

There are already laws in place that require a person to be Armenian citizen to own land in Armenia. A Turk can buy a building, but that land isn't his, government has the right to take it if necessary. My uncle owns many stores throughout Armenia and he knows these laws very well.

Second, there are migration laws in EU as well, Armenia has very minimal migration laws, and even though what I said is filled with passion and exaggerated (raping, national security, etc.), the remedy to that is/should be in accordance with EU. And that can be done with sensible migration laws that aim at keeping an adequate balance between foreign population and Armenian population.

Europeans nor Armenians want Turks flooding their respective countries, and both of us should use legal means in preventing that, and I believe it's possible and already is being done.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenia for Armenians

It's apparent your clueless regarding current Armenian politics and foreign affairs.

Armenia's government's number one foreign policy priority is EU integration, and Armenia very soon will become Associative member of the EU, and who knows maybe some time in the future even a member of the EU. Laws have been reformed to meet EU's standards, and our number one economic partner is EU (by far), plus all the projects and investments EU has spilled into Armenia. Armenia in general actively participates in many EU programs, and that is a good thing..

And how does Armenia's EU membership aims square with your policy aims that "migrations of foreigners to Armenia should be restricted" since they will "start marrying/raping our women" (same thing in your eyes?) and that "strict laws should be set against Turks settling in Armenia, and against letting Armenian girls marry any Muslims" and that "in order to buy land you must be Armenian citizen" and making "the lives of the Muslims in Armenia a living hell, by constantly questioning them, and saying that it's for national security" and "give money under the table to target Muslims who seek to steal and rape Armenian women". Maybe you are too blind to realise how disgusting your words are, and how completely incompatible with EU membership standards they are.

[Mos]

Re: Armenia for Armenians

And his avatar says even more - a ripped-off EU flag, while he spouts out nonsense that, if ever made reality, would guarantee Armenia could not only never becomes an EU member but would be expelled from every EU-related organisation and treaty. And of course, in just a slighty different form, that proposed reality is being promoted by an organisation at the very heart of Armenia - the Armenian Church.

But to me what is sad is how the supposed intellectuals on this board always let the likes of mos get away unapposed with posting dangerous and obnoxious opinions in public. They are the same people who, on a wider stage, just silently hunker down in their bunkers whenever any difficult issue arises.

It's apparent your clueless regarding current Armenian politics and foreign affairs.

Armenia's government's number one foreign policy priority is EU integration, and Armenia very soon will become Associative member of the EU, and who knows maybe some time in the future even a member of the EU. Laws have been reformed to meet EU's standards, and our number one economic partner is EU (by far), plus all the projects and investments EU has spilled into Armenia. Armenia in general actively participates in many EU programs, and that is a good thing.

Our country has many internal problems like corruption, lack of social benefits, things which can be helped with EU cooperation and support from EU political structures. Corruption has been decreasing partly and election qualities increasing partly due to the fact that Armenia's government is trying to meet EU standards. Who are we going to look towards for these issues? Iran, Russia, you've got to be kidding me.

EU has given us good direction, and I have a right to support them, as I see with my own eyes the improvements that have come about with EU's help. So unless you want to become like Belarus which is a oppressive dictatorship that's basically a province of Russia, we have to continue on this course.

I support close relations with EU, but also support maintaining good relations with Russia and Iran who provide a good economic alternative (gas for example). We can be friends with Russia and still be integrating with EU. EU itself wants to have good relations with Russia, so it's becoming more and more mutual. Russia too is slowly creeping towards EU while EU is creeping towards them.

Before you transcend into insulting other members please have substantial claim.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenia for Armenians

MOS,
Your signature says it all.

And his avatar says even more - a ripped-off EU flag, while he spouts out nonsense that, if ever made reality, would guarantee Armenia could not only never becomes an EU member but would be expelled from every EU-related organisation and treaty. And of course, in just a slighty different form, that proposed reality is being promoted by an organisation at the very heart of Armenia - the Armenian Church.

But to me what is sad is how the supposed intellectuals on this board always let the likes of mos get away unapposed with posting dangerous and obnoxious opinions in public. They are the same people who, on a wider stage, just silently hunker down in their bunkers whenever any difficult issue arises.

[Mos]

Re: Armenia for Armenians

For f..k sake why do you want our young men to marry foreign women.

I wouldn't mind marrying an Iranian...