Armenia for Armenians

[Azar]

Re: Armenia for Armenians

Iranians are really Muslims? Since when? Since 1979.

Most Iranian youth don't care about Islam, do you honestly think that Iranian youth going to Armenia care about Islam? You're a fool.

You can be nationalist all you want, keep your country for your own people if you wish, it doesn't bother me, I would accept Armenians into Iran or Azarbaijan with open arms personally.

[gegev]

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Let me clarify, first of all.

-My opposition is to Dashnak politics ... (P.S. Bla , bla) ..

There are one or two real political parties in Armenia and the first one is the ARF – Dashnak, which is probed by history and severely criticized by USSR; because they opposed the USSR-Turkey friendship that donated most of Armenian lands to Turks .

The rest of the nowadays Armenian parties like Hanrapetakan, Bargavtj Hayastan, OEK etc. are fake, based/consists on one individual "parties" and if the leader leaves for abroad the party should be relocated, otherwise it’s dead, without election bribes $15 per vote the leader pays.

Please don’t talk much about fake parties, I live in Armenia, as opposed to you, and I have first hand information on that.

And Armenia welcomes our foreign guests and friends, it's not only for Armenians; given our nation famous hospitality heritage.

Enough is enough.

[londontsi]

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I think it's funny that an immigrant will dare to open his mouth open keeping a country to the original population,.

Its not funny its tragico-farcical.

First Armenia needs to worry about it's real problems than it can worry about your twisted fantasy problems.

Absolutely agree.
This is what we should be discussing because that will make the people to stay and hopefully some of the people start returning.

Everything starts from good governance thus building trust.
Encourage inward investment generating meaningful jobs.
Better government revenue.
Redistribute income
More security economically as well as militarily.

[KarotheGreat]

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I think it's funny that an immigrant will dare to open his mouth open keeping a country to the original population, don't you Mos?

And do you really believe that people would want to migrate to Armenia? Most Armenians don't want to stay there right now.
First Armenia needs to worry about it's real problems than it can worry about your twisted fantasy problems.

[arakeretzig]

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The big persian boogyman is coming for you. resistance is futile.

[retro]

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Perhaps the Armenian Church should make conversion to Christianity mandatory in Armenia for foreigners who marry Armenians. Or do some kind of accord with Islamic leaders in Iran... The Armenian Church has the added benefit of being its own Church so it should use that to its advantage and that of its people.

If the Armenian community of Iran was able to coexist with Iranians for hundreds of years, I think that Armenia itself shouldn't have a big problem.

Jews have lived in Iran for well over a thousand years; yet the Jews certainly aren't inviting Iranians to come and live in Israel.

You can forget about reasoning with those people. Armenia isn't Iran and the Iranians are fully intent on taking over Armenia and coverting it's people to Islam.

[Davo88]

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Perhaps the Armenian Church should make conversion to Christianity mandatory in Armenia for foreigners who marry Armenians. Or do some kind of accord with Islamic leaders in Iran... The Armenian Church has the added benefit of being its own Church so it should use that to its advantage and that of its people.

If the Armenian community of Iran was able to coexist with Iranians for hundreds of years, I think that Armenia itself shouldn't have a big problem.

[Mos]

Re: Armenia for Armenians

Let me clarify, first of all.

-My opposition is to Dashnak politics and their counterparts who make up a minority in the Armenian government. Many people in Armenia are anti-Dashnak politics and this doesn't make them an enemy.

-My opposition to certain dashnak elements in the Armenian diaspora.

-I recognize the help that dashnaks have provided to Armenia, especially during Karabakh war, but I still reserve the right to criticize them for other actions that they've done.

-ASALA hurt us badly, there's no excuse in supporting them and it's a real shame that people calling themselves Armenians resorted to such brutal terrorism

-Genocide recognition is important to us, but it should be done in a civilized manner, not done by smear campaigns or bloodhunts. Turkey needs to come to terms with its past and recognize that it has built a whole identity based on lies. But in addition to this, sooner or later we will have to establish normal contact with Turks as they are not going anywhere and we need a stable region.

-There is a rift between Western and Eastern Armenians, like it or not. The biggest difference is the Soviet mentality and culture which is well existent in Eastern Armenians who identify themselves with post-Soviet people more than anybody else, while for Westerns they identify themselves more with middle east and Muslims. I can attest to this rift, in how natives Armenians in Armenia interact with Western Armenians and I must say the relationship is rather cold, and they don't seem to be part of the same group just from viewing their relationships.

-I recognize the goods things the Diaspora does for Armenia, after all almost every family in Armenia has a family member in the diaspora. Without diaspora, Armenia would be in much worse situation. Remember, Dashnaks =/= Diaspora.

-I am an Armenian who cares about the development and survival of a strong Armenia and I believe without a meaningful connection to the motherland, it is very hard to speak for all Armenians. I won't generalise, but I will say there are Armenians who never set foot in Armenia, or know very little, and speak as if they can speak for all of Armenians. Are they familiar with the Soviet mentality and cultural situation of Armenia, and rest of Armenians? This is very important.

and finally, the point of this thread is not about dashnaks or western armenians, but about the demographic situation of Armenia and the threat of an influx of immigrant from Iran and other similar countries.

[retro]

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yes, and many people here will support that. Heck they will support the Islamization of Armenia just so they can be closer to their Iranian "brothers"

Over my dead body will Armenia become such a place. We're the first Christian people and nation, and for most of our history have fought such Muslim invaders as they tried to exterminate us.

I want Armenia to remain, Christian, and free.

I think that Armenia should promote cultural exchanges with a view of attracting far more tourists from both Europe and Russia.

Armenian shouldnt open it's hostile borders for anything other than freight and I don't think that the Iranians are people, that Armenians should become overly embroiled with.

[londontsi]

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Let's see how long Armenia's economy and future projects will last without diaspora (of which a large number of them are western armenians), not to mention you can kiss USA's aid good bye.

When it comes to the welfare and security of Armenia there is no eastern or western Armenians.
Armenians generally help because of their love and their “duty” towards the Fatherland as well as their kith and kin.

Lets not fall in the trap Mos's provocation.
From his postings I have my doubts whether he is Armenian at all or has Armenia’s interests at heart.


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