Armenia for Armenians

[retro]

Re: Armenia for Armenians

First of all Armenia isn't some developed EU country. It's a post-soviet country with still a good amount of corruption and legal loop holes. If you have the money/acquaintances you can do anything you want in Armenia. There have been cases where rich people and powerful people have done something bad (like murder) and gotten away with it as they had the resources to quiet the courts. It's all about connections and relatives.

A lease in the end of the day is a legal contract, and if the government really wants it can find a suitable "reason" and break the contract. The courts naturally will follow if the government is intent on getting back that land.

Armenia isn't Zimbabwe and land seizure would place the government against all sorts of powerful intrests. Which is not a safe place for the ruling junta to be politically. What is more even if the the courts are a rubber stamp. They would interpret this sort of thing, as a direct challenge to the judiciaries authority and they won't like it at all.

[Mos]

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It can be done gowever the state would be compelled to pay some form of token compensation and seize the land and property under a premise.

A lease is a legal title and not even governments can't completely flout the rule of law. Since the courts may rule against them and make no mistake. The courts have the power to order the arrest of even government ministers.

First of all Armenia isn't some developed EU country. It's a post-soviet country with still a good amount of corruption and legal loop holes. If you have the money/acquaintances you can do anything you want in Armenia. There have been cases where rich people and powerful people have done something bad (like murder) and gotten away with it as they had the resources to quiet the courts. It's all about connections and relatives.

A lease in the end of the day is a legal contract, and if the government really wants it can find a suitable "reason" and break the contract. The courts naturally will follow if the government is intent on getting back that land.

[retro]

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It can be done however the state would be compelled to pay some form of token compensation and seize the land and property under a premise.

A lease is a legal title and not even governments can't completely flout the rule of law. Since the courts may rule against them and make no mistake. The courts have the power to order the arrest of even government ministers.

[Mos]

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Actually it means that ones it is leased non of them both can break the legal contract, even it's the government. If you start breaking legal contracts the other companies that lease will just leave, so the only thing is that the ground is not their name everything else like the building and such is on their name.

Don't forget foreign civilians who wish to purchase land or house. Of course Armenian government won't break this contract liberally, however, fact remains fact that it has the ability to terminate the lease and thus deprive the company/person of that land. Why didn't the government just let the land be under the name? Well, in my opinion, it's to prevent rich Turks/Kurds from buying large areas in Armenia (for example if the border was opened), at least when they do so, they don't own the land officially, and that's a big thing. And this also gets back to the migration policies.

[KarotheGreat]

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Well who is leasing it to them? The government. The government has the right to take away that lease if there's suitable reason. The length of the lease doesn't matter either as it still stays a lease. If the land is under the person's name however it's their private property and government has no right to intervene.

Actually it means that ones it is leased non of them both can break the legal contract, even it's the government. If you start breaking legal contracts the other companies that lease will just leave, so the only thing is that the ground is not their name everything else like the building and such is on their name.

[Mos]

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do you know what a lease for 99 years is, that they can stay there for the next century so the government can not do anything about it without everyone leaving it. The only thing it's not on their name the ground the rest is on their name and that will change soon too. It seems a law that doesn't make sense in this era and age.

Well who is leasing it to them? The government. The government has the right to take away that lease if there's suitable reason. The length of the lease doesn't matter either as it still stays a lease. If the land is under the person's name however it's their private property and government has no right to intervene.

[KarotheGreat]

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But there's an important subtlety. The land upon which the property sits is not included in the purchase (in their name) rather it has to be leased, which is much different from owning it. An Armenian citizen can own that land, and doesn't have to "lease" it. By leasing it, you can have it taken away from you if there are substantial reasons.

do you know what a lease for 99 years is, that they can stay there for the next century so the government can not do anything about it without everyone leaving it. The only thing it's not on their name the ground the rest is on their name and that will change soon too. It seems a law that doesn't make sense in this era and age.

[Mos]

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I am not pro dashnag at all.

The reason you qualify for the adjective used is the incoherent views you express when one day you are “patriotic”
next you are anti-Armenian or part Anti-Armenian, anti-Russian, Anti-Iranian, next you want to marry an Iranian,
you have relations with the President and his clique and it goes on and on.

Ok If you prefer I will call you a “barab dagar”

First of all when have I been anti-Armenian? I've always been skeptical of Russia, but still supported having good relations with them. And lastly, no I've never been anti-Iranian, some people just take my word way out of context. I've just rejected the false claim that Iranians are the brothers of Armenians, second I've rejected that fact that Armenians and Iranians have the closest bond out of all the other ethnic groups, and have criticized the oppressive and theocratic Iranian government, and lastly criticized some of the Iranian hooligans that do bad things in Armenia. I never said Iranians are bad people, and in fact many of my friends are Iranian.

Ironically, I'm often confused for a Persian by non-Armenians. And yes they have great women, but that's for a different conversation.

[Mos]

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however the land that the property sits on will not be included in the sae. However, the land can be leased,

But there's an important subtlety. The land upon which the property sits is not included in the purchase (in their name) rather it has to be leased, which is much different from owning it. An Armenian citizen can own that land, and doesn't have to "lease" it. By leasing it, you can have it taken away from you if there are substantial reasons.

[KarotheGreat]

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My uncle is not talking out of his ass, he knows the property laws very well, better than anybody on this forum.




And tell me how migration laws are retarded? Every country has them. Either say something substantial or stop with the personal attacks, it's really immature.

Apparently in this forum, if you aren't an axpar dashnak, you are the enemy of the armenian people. If you disagree with dashnak politics all of a sudden you're equivalent to a Turk. It's really getting ridiculous.

Foreign investors are free to purchase Armenian properties in their own names however the land that the property sits on will not be included in the sae. However, the land can be leased, and this is normally set at 99 years. Alternatively, foreign investors can setup an Armenian company. The company is then free to purchase the land that the property sits on. Many real estate agents in the country are happy to advise and help prospective property purchasers with the setting up of companies for a small fee.

http://www.hodakrealestate.nl/articles/Armenia/info/1225536387

Look I've got a real source unlike you lol