Armenia for Armenians

[retro]

Re: Armenia for Armenians

Iranians and Armenians are racially and culturally brothers, deal with it.

Oh and by the way, go ahead and marry that Iranian girl that you like, no one will stop you, and if her parents are for some weird reason against it, marry her anyways.

Are the Americans also your brothers and can they also come and marry your women?


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At least the Russians seldom admix with Armenians and they certainly aren't a demographic threat to Armenia. The same can't be said of Iran and what you are advocating is suicide for a small ethnic group such as the Armenians.

[Azar]

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I've just rejected the false claim that Iranians are the brothers of Armenians, second I've rejected that fact that Armenians and Iranians have the closest bond out of all the other ethnic groups

So you still believe that the Hemshin people are more closely related to you than Iranians? Come on man... Iranians and Armenians are racially and culturally brothers, deal with it.

Oh and by the way, go ahead and marry that Iranian girl that you like, no one will stop you, and if her parents are for some weird reason against it, marry her anyways.

Peace and love, bro.

[Azar]

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Oh ok than why are Iranians so keen on converting their non-Muslim wives to their religion?

-One question then, if Armenians and Iranians are truly brothers why don't Iranians let Iranian women marry Armenian men?

Where are you getting this nonsense from? Most Iranians really don't care about Islam.

Iranians women can marry whichever men they want, who's stopping them? Don't let the Iranian government speak for the Iranian people. Don't generalize Iranians either

[lampron]

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I look at more their politics, I understand the social clubs and cultural awareness that they have spread and that's all good, and I give credit to them for that, as it's important to have the diaspora at least be aware of Armenia and its politics.

well I wasn't looking at their coffee drinking habits ! 'Social clubs' that become centres of gossip and spreading hatred against other Armenians. That's not politics, that's breaking up and weakening communities!

[Mos]

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what is to stop Turkish businessmen in the future buying long leases and the Armenian government not being able to take the land back, because of political pressure from Turkey, or the from investors themselves?
Turkish businessmen could have the same power as Armenian oligarchs have today

At least the Turkish companies would not own the land, plus I doubt Turkish companies/business would succeed in Armenia.

this is probably for another thread but the Dashnak party has had both a positive and a negative role. Negative, because most party bosses regarded the interests of the party above those of the Armenian people, so they didn't care if the nation became divided in the process. But generally Armenian political parties in the diaspora behaved in a very primitive way, in some ways acting more like social clubs than political parties - learning little from the democratic systems of countries where they were situated

I look at more their politics, I understand the social clubs and cultural awareness that they have spread and that's all good, and I give credit to them for that, as it's important to have the diaspora at least be aware of Armenia and its politics.

[retro]

Re: Armenia for Armenians

I'm sure Armenian government can come up with a reason to take the land if needed. Yeah it's not Zimbabwe, but it's still corrupt. Plus the courts are in the hands of the government. I highly doubt the judiciaries are thinking about their authority rather they are thinking about their pockets which the government can very easily fill. And all this is under the table of course. Plus I'll be interested to know the land policies in other developed countries.

In relation to what, property seizure, usage or ownership? Much depends upon the legal system and property rights are subject all sorts of laws (even in Armenia).

Contrary to what you seemingly think. It's not easy for the state to legitimately confiscate property or strip people of titles without awarding compensation.

Robbing foreign property investors is the sort of thing that Turkish 'property developers' do. However this really isn't smart and it certainly won't make them any friends.

[retro]

Re: Armenia for Armenians

what is to stop Turkish businessmen in the future buying long leases and the Armenian government not being able to take the land back, because of political pressure from Turkey, or the from investors themselves?
Turkish businessmen could have the same power as Armenian oligarchs have today

Not much and if I where you I'd force foreign residents to rent. As non-Armenians should not be allowed to privately own either the titles or leaseholds to land or property. Otherwise the chances are that Armenia's establishment will sell the Armenian peoples inheritance out to foreign intrests.

[lampron]

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Just because one is not pro-dashnak doesn't make him an idiot. It's the person who thinks all real Armenians are dashnaks who's the real moron. All the points I've made are reasonable, either attempt to refute them or stop with the personal insults, and it just shows you have no argument left and thus have resorted to more immature means.

this is probably for another thread but the Dashnak party has had both a positive and a negative role. Negative, because most party bosses regarded the interests of the party above those of the Armenian people, so they didn't care if the nation became divided in the process. But generally Armenian political parties in the diaspora behaved in a very primitive way, in some ways acting more like social clubs than political parties - learning little from the democratic systems of countries where they were situated

[lampron]

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There have been cases where rich people and powerful people have done something bad (like murder) and gotten away with it as they had the resources to quiet the courts. It's all about connections and relatives.

A lease in the end of the day is a legal contract, and if the government really wants it can find a suitable "reason" and break the contract. The courts naturally will follow if the government is intent on getting back that land.

what is to stop Turkish businessmen in the future buying long leases and the Armenian government not being able to take the land back, because of political pressure from Turkey, or the from investors themselves?
Turkish businessmen could have the same power as Armenian oligarchs have today

[Mos]

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Armenia isn't Zimbabwe and land seizure would place the government against all sorts of powerful intrests. Which is not a safe place for the ruling junta to be politically. What is more even if the the courts are a rubber stamp. They would interpret this sort of thing, as a direct challenge to the judiciaries authority and they won't like it at all.

I'm sure Armenian government can come up with a reason to take the land if needed. Yeah it's not Zimbabwe, but it's still corrupt. Plus the courts are in the hands of the government. I highly doubt the judiciaries are thinking about their authority rather they are thinking about their pockets which the government can very easily fill. And all this is under the table of course. Plus I'll be interested to know the land policies in other developed countries.