How does everyone feel about Israel?

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

There are conspiracy theories for everything - there are people who write books about J3wish holocaust not happening. Saying that J3ws are responsible for the Genocide of Armenians is absurd and has no legitimate historic backing, maybe a couple of fringe historians here and there that have an anti-Semitic agenda.

It's not an anti-Semitic agenda, the Zionists are an open book. Their role in the holocaust and their ties with the Nazi regime is rather well documented. In addition, Iran played a rather important role in WWII.

'Thousands of Iranian civilians played a role in the war effort from laborers for road building and drivers to skilled mechanics at the "little Detroit's" truck assembly plants at Andimeshk. In one year 648,000 vehicles were built in Iran for shipment to the Soviet Union. '


'The Persian Corridor, or Bridge To Victory as it was called in Persian, provided a vital link for war supplies in one direction while at the same time serving as a humanitarian passage for J3wish and Polish refugees, many of whom arrived in Iran by crossing the Caspian in ships that had delivered supplies to ports in Baku, Azerbaijan or Krasnovodsk, Turkmenistan.'


Bridge to victory
THE IRANIAN: History, World War II, Persian Corridor
http://www.iranian.com/History/Nov97/WWII/index.html

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

There are conspiracy theories for everything - there are people who write books about J3wish holocaust not happening. Saying that J3ws are responsible for the Genocide of Armenians is absurd and has no legitimate historic backing, maybe a couple of fringe historians here and there that have an anti-Semitic agenda.

Israeli Minister "We always use the anti-Semitism trick or bring up the Holocaust": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW3a1bw5XlE

And why keep focussing on the "J3wish Holocaust"? What does that have to do with the Armenian Genocide?

Turks were involved in the Armenian Genocide - among them were J3wish-Turks (Khazars). Do J3wish-Turks exist? Yes, given that they have a website up and running in Turkey, I'd say that is fairly solid evidence - not a conspiracy theory: http://www.turkiye.net/sota/karaim.html

An Israeli Professor, Dr. Sholomo Sand, who also teaches at NYU, has a book called the invention of the J3wish people - is he an "anti-semitic fringe historian" also?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010...-israel-xxxish

So according to your logic, Mos, it's okay to investigate the Armenian Genocide as long as we focus narrowly on "Turks"? But if we focus research on J3wish-Turks (Khazars / Crypto-J3ws, etc.) ... it's "anti-semitic propaganda"?

From the Turkish-J3wish Website:

“Khazars were a Turkish group of tribes and nations….”

“What strikes any student of Judaism regarding the description of the Karaites in the Crimea and (somewhat less so) in all of Eastern Europe, is how "unxxxish" they are made to appear.”

“The Crimean Karaites did not speak any of the usual xxxish dialects, such as Jiddish or Ladino, but such Turkish dialects as Karaim, similar to those of their neighbours, which they later brought with them to Poland and Lithuania.” (Translation: They hid their identity.)

“The "unxxxishness" of the Karaites of the Crimea and (to a lesser extent) of Eastern Europe, can be explained not only by ethnic linkage, but by their "ability to take on the colouring of the wider society. (It) was evident when they described themselves as xxxs if they lived among xxxs, as Turks when in Turkey, as Russians when in Russia and as Poles when in Poland" (E. Trevisan-Semi, Nazi and Vichy, 82).

Bibliography Cited For Quotes
Petahia of Regensburg, Sibuv, Altona 1770, 2;
T. Kowalski, Karaimsche Texte im Dialekt von Troki, Krakow 1929, XI;
D.M. Dunlop, The History of the xxxish Khazars, Princeton 1954 (with detailed bibliography);
E. Trevisan-Semi, Ebrei Caraiti, 60

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

So according to your logic, Mos, it's okay to investigate the Armenian Genocide as long as we focus narrowly on "Turks"? But if we focus research on J3wish-Turks (Khazars / Crypto-J3ws, etc.) ... it's "anti-semitic propaganda"?

No, it's making the connection of blaming the Armenian Genocide on Zionists or xxxs by nit picking a few elements in the whole genocide process. It becomes anti-Semitic when you blame the heavy accusation of genocide on a whole people/religion - rather than focusing on the perpetrators and paying attention to their own identity and intentions. In the end the people who carried it out were Turks and to a large extent Kurds who saw it as an opportunity to rid the lands in which they were living of Armenians, and take their possessions with that.

[Persopolis]

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blaming the armenian genocide on j3ws is more of a wetdream for anti-semites and skinheads....

So a J3wish author that writes a 500+ page book detailing the J3wish-Turks involvement in the Armenian Genocide transforms the J3wish author into a "skinhead"? Let me guess: He ate too much sauerkraut, decided to shave his head and write a big book? How did that happen Mos?

No, it's making the connection of blaming the Armenian Genocide on Zionists or xxxs by nit picking a few elements in the whole genocide process.

I certainly have no problem with peace-loving J3ws, but I won't kiss motzah-balls by calling orchestration of the Armenian Genocide "nit picking." Helping to cause Genocide is blameworthy -- I don't care who does it. Turks, J3ws, Eskimos, Kurds, or little green men ...

Mos, didn't you dismiss the author's 500+ page book as "Iranian Propaganda" a comment ago - when on the front cover of the book it indicates that it has a Dutch-J3wish author? My friend, I say this respectfully: before you jump to conclusions about the contents of a book, whether the author is "anti-semitic" or the nationality of the author - shouldn't you at least look at the front cover of the book? Reading the contents of a book might also be useful in formulating an opinion of it (just a suggestion).

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

... That "eye for an eye" notion is very primitive and anti-Christian.

Try waving flowers at the Azerbaijan military and see how far you get. Yes, war is very primitive. The less arms you have, the more primitive it becomes.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

I don't think xxxish isn't the right word I don't think that average xxx/Joe didn't know what was going on and didn't have any connection with what was going on. But what can be said is that there are Zionist organizations involved like the German government and military was involved. However Turks were involved from government till villagers, the government planned everything and the villagers were the ones that were slaughtering, I advise go and read the Armenian Golgotha, there you get to see what the Turks were doing, not the government or policemen but villagers and other ordinary Turks.

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

QUESTIONS PRESENTED:

1. Are Armenian’s Concerns Over Israeli Misbehavior Anti-Semitism merely because they are expressed?

2. Or should there be evidence that the negative of view of Israel is motivated by a dislike of J3wish religious practices before a charge of Anti-Semitism is found to have merit?

A FEW CONCERNS NOTED BY VARIOUS ARMENIANS – YOUR THOUGHTS?

In April 1998, Igor Muradyan, a famous Armenian political analyst and economist, published an article in one of Armenia's leading newspapers Voice of Armenia and accused J3ws of inciting ethnic conflicts, including the dispute over 'Nagorno-Karabagh' (Artsakh) and demonstrated concern for Armenia's safety in light of Israel's support of and relations with Turkey.

(Source: Union of Council for Soviet J3ws: Titled: “Antisemitism in Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Armenia.”)

Tigran Karapetyan, accused J3ws of assisting Ottoman authorities in the 1915 Armenian Genocide. His interviewee, Armen Avetissian stated that "the Armenian Aryans intend to fight against the J3wish-Masonic aggression and will do what it takes to repress evil in its own nest." Speaking about Armenia's J3wish community Avetissian said that it consists of "700 of those who identify themselves as J3ws and 50,000 of those whom the Aryans will soon reveal.” (Prominent academic figures, such as Levon Ananyan (the head of the Writers union of Armenia) and composer Ruben Hakhverdian, supported Avetissian’s right to call attention to possible threats.)

The head of the Department for Ethnic and Religious Minority Issues in Armenia, Hranoush Kharatyan, said: "Why are we not responding to the fact that on their Friday gatherings, Judaists continue to advocate hatred towards all non-Judaists as far as comparing the latter to cattle and propagating spitting on them?" Kharatyan also accused local J3ws of calling for "anti-Christian actions."

(Sources: The Euro-Asian Je3ish Congress (6 September 2006); Armenian Official Says J3ws "Anti-Christian". Union of Councils for Soviet J3ws. 21 October 2004. Retrieved 27 November 2006.)

In September 2006, while criticizing the American Global Gold corporation, Armenian Minister of Nature Protection Vardan Ayvazyan expressed serious concerns about whether Israeli/Zionist ownership was behind the company.

ANOTHER WAY OF FORMULATING THE QUESTION:

Is it ethical to hate Israel for arming an adversary (Azerbaijan) during war where it is clear that those weapons are intended to be used against Armenians?

And if those weapons lead to Azerbaijani dominance in a war or destruction of Armenian towns or people, would your views change?

Defense officials yesterday updated Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev on their progress with the domestic production of Israeli-designed drones. The two models, Orbiter 2M and Aerostar, both manufactured by a local company, AZAD Systems Co., can cruise for five and 12 hours at altitudes of six and 10 kilometers, respectively.Armenia, which occasionally exchanges gunfire with Azerbaijan, in the past has complained about Baku reportedly flying drones over disputed Karabakh. http://www.eurasianet.org/node/63004

[Yedtarts]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Some people think no matter how much J3ws play anti Armenian games and support our enemies against us, we should keep on kissing their arsses because their real (grand) master is from that race and he would appear and become more powerful to lead us all after they built a certain temple.

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Some people think no matter how much J3ws play anti Armenian games and support our enemies against us, we should keep on kissing their arsses because their real (grand) master is from that race and he would appear and become more powerful to lead us all after they built a certain temple.

"If they build it, he will come" lol

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Some people think no matter how much J3ws play anti Armenian games and support our enemies against us, we should keep on kissing their arsses because their real (grand) master is from that race and he would appear and become more powerful to lead us all after they built a certain temple.

It's more Israel, having good relations with Turkey and Azerbaijan, but following the rupture in ties between Israel and Turkey, J3wish groups have stopped supporting Turkish initiatives, and actually in some cases began supporting Armenian causes (e.g. Netherlands). Like any other group, they will do what benefits their country, doesn't mean they are inherently anti-Armenian. You shouldn't let the policies of a few Israeli politicians mean that all J3ws think the same way. Does Saudi Arabia's close ties with US, mean all Saudi Arabians are pro American? Quite the opposite actually.