What if Armenians were Muslim?

[Haykakan]

Re: What if Armenians were Muslim?

[QUOTE=KanadaHye;308890]First of all, religion is a civil order. It was due to Armenians rejecting the order that all of their rulers were forcing to impose on them that kept Armenians segregated. This is also why we are naturally rebellious. No matter where we are in the world, we look to beat the system because we refuse to be ruled by others. We play by the rules but always look for schemes to evade taxes and find business opportunities when the odds are stacked against us by the ruling class.

"First of all, religion is a civil order. It was due to Armenians rejecting the order that all of their rulers were forcing to impose on them that kept Armenians segregated. This is also why we are naturally rebellious. No matter where we are in the world, we look to beat the system because we refuse to be ruled by others. We play by the rules but always look for schemes to evade taxes and find business opportunities when the odds are stacked against us by the ruling class.

As far as the role the Armenian Church has played in preserving language, culture and literature, I suggest taking a deeper look at its history. "


If religion is civil order then it is an order no one follows. How many families do you know abide by the "religious order"? It was not much different in ancient times either. Had there not been religion to preserve our language, culture and literature there would have likely been another institution doing the same thing probably far better to. People like to glorify religions by attributing all positive things to it while completely ignoring all the negative things it is responcible for. There are plenty examples of people changing their religions but not their identities as a nation, the albanians were christians once but most converted to islam during turckish rule but they have no confusions about their national identity, the same is true for the kurds. Why dont you guys want to give your own people some credit instead of portraying us as a people who owe their very existance to their religion especially since this very thing almost got us completely whiped out. The church is not the only thing that is armenian because our culture is far richer then that.

[arakeretzig]

Re: What if Armenians were Muslim?

what if sky was orange?
srsly, what if? Birds would freak the hell out...

[KanadaHye]

Re: What if Armenians were Muslim?

If you do not have anything interesting or constructive to say then perhaps it is best you say nothing at all. We armenians were a nation and a much more powerful one at that under a different religion. So much for religion being inseparable for national identity bs.. Perhaps your the one who should look at history. As for this guy influencing my opinion you can chek out numerous previous threads where i have stated the same views regarding religion long befor the person in question joined this forum.

First of all, religion is a civil order. It was due to Armenians rejecting the order that all of their rulers were forcing to impose on them that kept Armenians segregated. This is also why we are naturally rebellious. No matter where we are in the world, we look to beat the system because we refuse to be ruled by others. We play by the rules but always look for schemes to evade taxes and find business opportunities when the odds are stacked against us by the ruling class.

As far as the role the Armenian Church has played in preserving language, culture and literature, I suggest taking a deeper look at its history.

[Haykakan]

Re: What if Armenians were Muslim?

If you do not have anything interesting or constructive to say then perhaps it is best you say nothing at all. We armenians were a nation and a much more powerful one at that under a different religion. So much for religion being inseparable for national identity bs.. Perhaps your the one who should look at history. As for this guy influencing my opinion you can chek out numerous previous threads where i have stated the same views regarding religion long befor the person in question joined this forum.

[Eddo211]

Re: What if Armenians were Muslim?

and Armenians are paranoid of assimilating away. We are bulletproof people! just look at Kim Kardashian….no wait, we don't like her right

Considering the nature of the other threads he has started I have no doubt why .....

Because he is a very beautiful attractive Azeri who is very sensitive and could at any moment burst into tears :confused

[londontsi]

Re: What if Armenians were Muslim?

I do not know what azar's intentions are by starting this thread but the question asked is a interesting one.

Considering the nature of the other threads he has started I have no doubt why .....
I would say, to get Armenians to debate what is valuable to them regards their identity and values etc.
From your statement below he seems to have succeeded.

I think our religious institutions get much undeserved credit for the preservation of all things armenian.
We forget that we armenians were around far longer then christianity or islam.

Our hay days were before we adopted christianity as a matter of fact we have been sliding down hill ever since we became christians.

Very interesting coincidence.
The same applies with the discovery of the Armenian Alphabet.
It also coincides with Movses Khorenatsi putting Armenian History to “paper”.
Also coincides with Hailey's Comet passing over Yerevan.

This does not necessarily imply a cause and effect relationship but certanly is something that should be looked at.

Since its you great (pseudo)intellectual idea perhaps you should have a look at it.

Unlike many here i believe our christianity could be why we lost our statehood and i do not believe had we converted to islam or just stayed peagan we would no longer be armenians.

You do not seem to know much about Armenian history nor the broader History of the region.

I think many in the diaspora cannot seperate being armenian from being christian because so many of the armenian activities in their communities are centered around the church.

Armenians in the diaspora instinctively decide to establish a “Church and a school" before any other "institution",
because religion and language are inseparable for national identity.

[KanadaHye]

Re: What if Armenians were Muslim?

I think our religious institutions get much undeserved credit for the preservation of all things armenian. We forget that we armenians were around far longer then christianity or islam. Our hay days were before we adopted christianity as a matter of fact we have been sliding down hill ever since we became christians. This does not necessarily imply a cause and effect relationship but certanly is something that should be looked at. I do not know what azar's intentions are by starting this thread but the question asked is a interesting one. Unlike many here i believe our christianity could be why we lost our statehood and i do not believe had we converted to islam or just stayed peagan we would no longer be armenians. I think many in the diaspora cannot seperate being armenian from being christian because so many of the armenian activities in their communities are centered around the church.

Armenians that exist today most likely grew up within proximity to an Armenian church as it has always been a part of the community. If it weren't for Armenians keeping their traditions, we would have a lot more assimilated by now. I think the negative impact has been the western form of Christianity which was adopted through gradual attrition. It's different than our Eastern Orthodox form which was directly attacked by the Bolsheviks. Can't dismiss that we were direct targets for being Armenian and our Christian label was only used as a tool.

[Haykakan]

Re: What if Armenians were Muslim?

I think our religious institutions get much undeserved credit for the preservation of all things armenian. We forget that we armenians were around far longer then christianity or islam. Our hay days were before we adopted christianity as a matter of fact we have been sliding down hill ever since we became christians. This does not necessarily imply a cause and effect relationship but certanly is something that should be looked at. I do not know what azar's intentions are by starting this thread but the question asked is a interesting one. Unlike many here i believe our christianity could be why we lost our statehood and i do not believe had we converted to islam or just stayed peagan we would no longer be armenians. I think many in the diaspora cannot seperate being armenian from being christian because so many of the armenian activities in their communities are centered around the church.

[londontsi]

Re: What if Armenians were Muslim?

If the Armenians were “Chinese” would we have had support from Peoples Republic of China or from Taiwan?

If the Armenians were followers of voodoo would the Turks not have committed the Genocide?

If Armenia was not a mountainous country would we have been famous for growing oranges?

[Davo88]

Re: What if Armenians were Muslim?

If Armenians were Muslims, Russians would have had no interest in helping protect Armenian statehood. Armenians would have been one of the stateless Muslim nations such as the Kurds, the Laz, etc.

But what if Armenians were all Catholic Christians? Would they have had more sympathy from the West?