Current Condition of Armenia

[Armanen]

Re: Current Condition of Armenia

Well cooperating with CIA or KGB doesn’t mean betrayal as long as it does not harm national interests (and sometimes even serves to them). Let’s do not forget that the Great Garegin Njdeh was cooperating with Nazis and then with NKVD (when was in soviet prison) just with the same and only objective: to serve to Armenian national interests.

There was a case to be made for what you say during the Cold War, now there isn't much of a reason why ARF members or people with close ties to the ARF should work for anti-Armenian outlets like rfe.

[Mukuch]

Re: Current Condition of Armenia

As promised here are specifics:

Mardo Soghom: http://www.rferl.org/Expert/40.html

His real name is Mardo Soghomonian. Born in Iran, he fled after the Islamic revolution. He is very well known in ARF circles. He lived in New York for some time,and was married to a girl named Sanan, the daughter of the prominent ARF bureau member Hrach Tasnapetyan. He has since been divorced. Mardo got his job at Radio Liberty sometime in the 1980s when the previous Armenian desk representative, who was also an ARFer, retired. Mardo has been recently transferred to the Iranian desk of Radio Liberty. Currently, Harry Tamarzian (also with ARF connections) is heading the Armenian desk.

It is well known that the CIA had penetrated the ARF hierarchy during the Cold War, especially in the US. It was simply a part of Washington's plan to use Armenian elements in the diaspora against Soviet Armenia. However, one of the most prominent leaders in recent ARF history, Hrayr Marukhian (who Levon Petrosian exiled in 1994), ended up establishing connections with the KGB sometime in the 1970s/1980s. This situation (some members serving the CIA, some members serving the KGB) caused a lot of internal tensions within the ARF which may have led to some kidnapping and assassinations at the time. Marukhian died in Greece soon after his forced exile from Armenia in the mid-1990s. It was widely believed that Marukhian was assassinated by unknown assailants.

Although the ARF has a great nationalistic platform and some wonderful members, its top leadership, however, has been compromised for a long time. Thus, ultimately, they cannot be trusted - for now.

Well cooperating with CIA or KGB doesn’t mean betrayal as long as it does not harm national interests (and sometimes even serves to them). Let’s do not forget that the Great Garegin Njdeh was cooperating with Nazis and then with NKVD (when was in soviet prison) just with the same and only objective: to serve to Armenian national interests.

[Armanen]

Re: Current Condition of Armenia

The country’s not a country. They want a better future for their children, free from nepotism, corruption and inequality. But they don’t want to work for it, they want it handed to them on a silver platter. They’re quick to criticize but are hesitant to enact the change they expect–whatever that is–citing fear or more often than not, apathy. Can Armenians really afford to be afraid and indifferent to each other?

It seems hetq got at least something right about Armenians. Most of our people are politically immature when they do wish to act, otherwise they sit on their as*es and complain about the state of the nation yet are not doing anything to solve it; often times they are the problem.

ianyanmag.com/2011/03/08/armenia-the-yearning-for-a-revolution/

[Eddo211]

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ARF will play any hand to see its stated ideology come to reality.....they remain instrumental in the Armenian cause.

[Haykakan]

Re: Current Condition of Armenia

"top leadership, however, has been compromised for a long time. Thus, ultimately, they cannot be trusted - for now. "
This is also why ARF is so hostile to critics. Hostiility seems to be its trademark even against fellow armenians. If they have switched from the cia to the kgb camp then they are smarter then i gave them credit for.

[Armanen]

Re: Current Condition of Armenia

What do you mean? Who exactly?

As promised here are specifics:

Mardo Soghom: http://www.rferl.org/Expert/40.html

His real name is Mardo Soghomonian. Born in Iran, he fled after the Islamic revolution. He is very well known in ARF circles. He lived in New York for some time,and was married to a girl named Sanan, the daughter of the prominent ARF bureau member Hrach Tasnapetyan. He has since been divorced. Mardo got his job at Radio Liberty sometime in the 1980s when the previous Armenian desk representative, who was also an ARFer, retired. Mardo has been recently transferred to the Iranian desk of Radio Liberty. Currently, Harry Tamarzian (also with ARF connections) is heading the Armenian desk.

It is well known that the CIA had penetrated the ARF hierarchy during the Cold War, especially in the US. It was simply a part of Washington's plan to use Armenian elements in the diaspora against Soviet Armenia. However, one of the most prominent leaders in recent ARF history, Hrayr Marukhian (who Levon Petrosian exiled in 1994), ended up establishing connections with the KGB sometime in the 1970s/1980s. This situation (some members serving the CIA, some members serving the KGB) caused a lot of internal tensions within the ARF which may have led to some kidnapping and assassinations at the time. Marukhian died in Greece soon after his forced exile from Armenia in the mid-1990s. It was widely believed that Marukhian was assassinated by unknown assailants.

Although the ARF has a great nationalistic platform and some wonderful members, its top leadership, however, has been compromised for a long time. Thus, ultimately, they cannot be trusted - for now.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Current Condition of Armenia

I have not noticed a change or i'd be the first one sending them complaint letters but if you do, let me know. I always scan their articles when I see they are re-posts of azatutyun.am. With articles like this one, I doubt Asbarez is becoming just another tool of the US and its lackeys.

Hmm, must check if any asbarez sources are being cited on Wikipedia. This would be a legitimate reason to remove them all.

[KanadaHye]

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The failure on the Armenian part was much bigger than losing Artsakh.com. Azerbaijanis put their foot in the Internet world much earlier than Armenians did. They had websites running already by the time we discovered the tool. Azerbaijani users such as the douche who owns Artsakh.com acquired the website in the mid 90s.

Not to mention all the fake profiles that our enemies made on all the Armenian dating and social sites pretending to be Armenian

[Eddo211]

Re: Current Condition of Armenia

They can't be too bad (Asbarez)....they actually allow my posts to go through (as bad as it can be). I don't post much there though but I read. I see you are there Armanen.

As far as Serzk and the historical commission.....he knew very well from beginning what would end up happening so he went along with it. He did very good, one of the few to out do Erdogan.

[Mos]

Re: Current Condition of Armenia

Asbarez is written for Diasporans in the United States, I believe in California. Honestly I prefer news sources from Armenia, like tert.am