The Dangers of the Liberal Mind in Armenia

[KanadaHye]

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Isn't this by definition just an attribute of the liberal (open?) mind? Not clinging to the past? Accepting what is new an better? I don't think this is a problem specific to Armenians or that it is a problem at all. It is just how the world is evolving. These geographic-based cultures that we are used to from the pre-Internet days just don't have a chance in the long run when every single person anywhere on the globe can have almost real-time access to every other person on the globe.

Ah, but isn't an attribute of the conservative (thinking?) mind to evolve and counter a changing world? The J3ws are ahead of us (like usual) in this regard.

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[Eddo211]

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failed policy of multiculturalism in Europe, to the point that the state leaders of countries like Germany have said that multiculturalism has failed.

If it has failed then how can people assimilate?

[Sip]

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Isn't this by definition just an attribute of the liberal (open?) mind? Not clinging to the past? Accepting what is new an better? I don't think this is a problem specific to Armenians or that it is a problem at all. It is just how the world is evolving. These geographic-based cultures that we are used to from the pre-Internet days just don't have a chance in the long run when every single person anywhere on the globe can have almost real-time access to every other person on the globe.

[Haykakan]

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You people forget that Armenia is only as safe and independent as the great powers of the world want it to be. I am not saying that nothing armenians do matters but i am saying we are minnows in a big lake with giant fish in it and any sense of security we feel is nothing but an illusion. We have every right to be proud of our culture and the accomplishments of our people but so do many other people and saying that our way is better or we are better then them is a bit childish to say the least. As for liberalism it is the same as anything else..one must use what is useful about it and ignore or discard the rest. I get annoyed when europeans or any other race claims to be better then us and i get just as annoyed when armenians make the same grandious claims based on absolutley nothing. We are all human and our humanity should trump all else!

[retro]

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Armenians need to wake up, and change before the Diaspora youth are completely gone. Multiculturalism has crippled large powerful Western European nations. In the case of a small vulnerable population like the Armenians, it can destroy us.

I agree, the massive influx of third world, so-called immigrants to Europe has undermined both it's security and economy. However you can't reason with Liberals, as they are brainwashed fanatics, who are manipulated by insidious forces into throwing themselves off the nearest cliff. Whilst Europeans have transcended their tribalism and chauvinism enough to create the EU. Europeans are a highly homogeneous people and European social policies are only really possible within a exclusively European environment.

It's hard for Diaspora Armenians, cut off from their extended families and close knit communities to preserve their cultural identity. Which is why the back migration and reintegration of diaspora Armenians needs to be actively encouraged.

[Mos]

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Furthermore, I am a firm believer in the Armenian way. I actually do believe our culture, norms and values are different and unique. I am a supporter of learning positive aspects of European countries, Asian countries, etc., but I really hate it when people think everything has to be European to be good, or everything European equals good, or if the Europeans do something in some sort of way, we have to do it also. I believe in an Armenian form of government, an Armenian form of work ethic, an Armenian form of society, an Armenian form of everything, and I believe in much things we can be better and much more innovative and moral than European countries. Even admits all the chaos and poverty, Armenia is one of the safest countries in the world, which is a huge thing people don't realize enough, and in the future I have all the hopes that it will be better.

Well said Tigran.

We are who we are, we have accomplished what we have accomplished, we have this rich culture as a result of our Armenian way, not European, not Asian, but Armenian. That is why an independent Armenia is such an important luxury that we have to cherish and protect every inch of that land, including Arstakh, and remain sovereign and free.

[Tigranakert]

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There is nothing racist in what Mos says. The word "racism" is being used the way the word "anti-Semite" is used nowadays. If I say the weather is bad in Tel Aviv, I will be called an anti-Semite within 2 nano seconds.

Anyways, all the top-European leaders have admitted that multiculturalism has been a failed project. It's actually a problem of religion, as Greeks, Italians have perfectly integrated into the society in Germany or the Netherlands, but the islamic groups like the Turks, Moroccans or Somalies have not.

Although Armenia is a thousand years away from worrying about an influx of foreigners, I would gladly welcome back the thousands of Greeks and Russians who once lived in Armenia.

Concerning family values, or values in general, I totally agree. It's also lately a hot subject in Western-Europe, and in Britain it has been acknowledged that a large part of the youth have been turned into barbarians, and need a military-style education to get them on the right track.

Furthermore, I am a firm believer in the Armenian way. I actually do believe our culture, norms and values are different and unique. I am a supporter of learning positive aspects of European countries, Asian countries, etc., but I really hate it when people think everything has to be European to be good, or everything European equals good, or if the Europeans do something in some sort of way, we have to do it also. I believe in an Armenian form of government, an Armenian form of work ethic, an Armenian form of society, an Armenian form of everything, and I believe in much things we can be better and much more innovative and moral than European countries. Even amidst all the chaos and poverty, Armenia is one of the safest countries in the world, which is a huge thing people don't realize enough, and in the future I have all the hopes that it will be even better.

[Mos]

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Exactly, it this pathetic liberal point of view that has led to the slow take over of Europe by Turks. Now that its almost too late all of them are waking up. Racism is not thinking for the self interest of your race and your people. Racism is thinknig you are superior to other races, that they are inferior to you. Armenians need to wake up, and change before the Diaspora youth are completely gone. Multiculturalism has crippled large powerful Western European nations. In the case of a small vulnerable population like the Armenians, it can destroy us.

I fully agree. And with that we need to emphasise the quote in my sig "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

It sickens me the Armenians that choose to spit on their family and culture and assimilate into a corporate, immoral culture such as in the Americas, in Europe it's a bit harder. Muslims for example it's much harder to assimilate, they stick close to their values and refuse to accept many of the values of their new found country. Maybe we have something to learn from them.

Once an Armenian crosses the line from Armenian to assimilated, that person is no longer Armenian, but a foreigner like everybody else, no matter the blood, name, or family.

[Mher]

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That's the problem with liberal education. Racism is when you try to eliminate races by convincing the young and stupid that it's racist to marry and breed their own race/culture. Then you have a country/state that looks something like Brazil. Don't worry though, because the wealthy only invite their own kind to their events and only marry other wealthy types so they don't really care that this kind of thought breeds poverty.

Exactly, it this pathetic liberal point of view that has led to the slow take over of Europe by Turks. Now that its almost too late all of them are waking up. Racism is not thinking for the self interest of your race and your people. Racism is thinknig you are superior to other races, that they are inferior to you. Armenians need to wake up, and change before the Diaspora youth are completely gone. Multiculturalism has crippled large powerful Western European nations. In the case of a small vulnerable population like the Armenians, it can destroy us.

[Mos]

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Not geographically Europe, but culturally similar in many ways and identified as such by numerous reputable sources. Human dynamics are human dynamics regardless of the exact geography if the culture and thought processes are similar enough. (Heck, even some Persians, for better or worse and more or less accuracy, consider themselves European.)

Armenians are more a separate group. We are not Asians, Europeans, nor do we like being grouped as such. I would we are more accurately an ethnic group native to the Armenian Highland, a people of the South Caucasus and Anatolia. We do have ethnic ties with the Indo-European speaking peoples in the region such as Persians and Greeks.

Political Armenia is part of Europe. As it's a member of Council of Europe and considered a European country by EU.