The Dangers of the Liberal Mind in Armenia

[Sip]

Re: The Dangers of the Liberal Mind in Armenia

Of course not. Didn't think that needed an answer.

Well I have to ask with you to be sure. Just above you said woman is responsible for getting date raped.

So here is the problem.

1. You don't think a woman is responsible for pregnancy due to rape.
2. You think banning abortions makes people responsible for their actions.

You can't say both of those two together. Well, I'll rephrase since you already said them. It doesn't make any sense to say those two together .

So you have to acknowledge that in SOME cases abortion is a valid solution.

[KanadaHye]

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Wow .. blah blah blah blah and you didn't answer my question. I asked a simple question: Is a woman responsible for pregnancy if she was raped?

Of course not. Didn't think that needed an answer. However, she is pregnant, and society now has a responsibility to help her.

[Sip]

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Wow .. blah blah blah blah and you didn't answer my question. I asked a simple question: Is a woman responsible for pregnancy if she was raped?

[KanadaHye]

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So you are saying it's a woman's responsibility for getting pregnant after being raped?

I wonder what percentage of girls get pregnant from being raped. I'm certain the teen pregnancy statistics aren't from rape. In cases of date rape, you shouldn't put your trust in someone you don't know well enough. There is a statistic that claims 1 in 7 college girls are raped in America (land of the free). Protecting yourself is your responsibility.

1979 Dr Sandra Mahkorn, a professional rape counselor, studied 37 women who had become pregnant through rape. (This was apparently all she could find. Pregnancy from rape is, in fact, extremely rare. The small numbers make the study less statistically significant. But we are certainly not going to hope for more rape victims just so we can get more reliable studies!) Of the 37, 4 did not complete the study. Of the remainder, 28 chose to continue their pregnancies, and 5 chose abortion. So of real pregnant rape victims, only 15% chose abortion.

Poor parenting combined with a liberal society is the cause of most unexpected pregnancies.

[Sip]

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Banning abortions doesn't take away people's freedoms... it just makes them responsible for their actions.

So you are saying it's a woman's responsibility for getting pregnant after being raped?

[retro]

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Banning abortions doesn't take away people's freedoms... it just makes them responsible for their actions. Same reason you used to learn to write with a pen. It would force you to make less mistakes because you couldn't just take an eraser to your thoughts so you'd learn to think before you wrote. Also, I think a doctor should have the freedom to say no to performing abortions since it's not a life saving procedure. So it seems people see freedom in things that only benefit them... even though it forces others to do things against their will.

Whilst abortion is clearly wrong and it's true to say that many people seek "freedom" without responsibility. Banning abortions forces women to travel abroad and drives the practice underground.

[KanadaHye]

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Wow, shall we also not treat people with sexually transmitted diseases either? To teach them responsibility?
How about seatbelts and airbags? Shall we get rid of those to teach people not to speed or drive unsafely?
We can stop baby proofing things too. Never to early to learn to teeter carefully and to stay out of medicine bottles and chemicals.


Doctors can choose other specialties if they have a problem. It most definitely IS taking away freedom. It's taking away the right to make your own health/medical decisions and the right to self-determination.

Why should 100% of children be forced to be injected with a vaccine that supposedly protects against cervical cancer when only a small percentage of the population actually develops cervical cancer because they are promiscuous? Seems unfair, don't you think? At what point do you consider YOUR freedom more important than someone else's? Why do you think the world hates Israel/America?

A doctor does not have to perform any procedure that is against his/her will. Take the problem to a back alley with a clothes hanger and some bleach.

[Siggie]

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Banning abortions doesn't take away people's freedoms... it just makes them responsible for their actions. Same reason you used to learn to write with a pen. It would force you to make less mistakes because you couldn't just take an eraser to your thoughts so you'd learn to think before you wrote. Also, I think a doctor should have the freedom to say no to performing abortions since it's not a life saving procedure. So it seems people see freedom in things that only benefit them... even though it forces others to do things against their will.

So, in this case you want government meddling in people's personal lives?

Shall we also not treat people with sexually transmitted diseases either? To teach them responsibility?
How about seatbelts and airbags? Shall we get rid of those to teach people not to speed or drive unsafely?
We can stop baby proofing things too. Never to early to learn to teeter carefully and to stay out of medicine bottles and chemicals.


Doctors can choose other specialties if they have a problem. It most definitely IS taking away freedom. It's taking away the right to make your own health/medical decisions and the right to self-determination. There was more death when abortion was illegal (back alley, coat hanger abortions ended the pregnancies anyway, but with a significant risk of killing the mothers too) than after it was legalized. The truly pro-life option is to leave the choice to people.

[KanadaHye]

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Right because Armenia doesn't have enough orphans. Great idea. Take away people's freedoms.

I'm noticing this is a theme with all of your improvement suggestions. Women aren't making good decisions, so we should take the decision from them was another of your suggestions right? Do you have any ideas that don't involve encroaching on people's liberties? Won't this kind of legislation discourage the diaspora Armenians from repatriating? I know it would discourage me from doing so. Why would I relocate to a country that significantly limits my freedom relative to where I am now? I know there are lots of reasons to move, but my point is that these kinds of things would be significant negatives to weigh against those positives. You're very ideological and not very pragmatic.

The incentives are a better idea. Didn't Artsakh do something similar to stimulate the birth rate? With the mass weddings and housing or what not?

Banning abortions doesn't take away people's freedoms... it just makes them responsible for their actions. Same reason you used to learn to write with a pen. It would force you to make less mistakes because you couldn't just take an eraser to your thoughts so you'd learn to think before you wrote. Also, I think a doctor should have the freedom to say no to performing abortions since it's not a life saving procedure. So it seems people see freedom in things that only benefit them... even though it forces others to do things against their will.

[Siggie]

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Another way to approach the demographic problem in Armenia is to ban abortions in addition to the incentive program in having children.

Right because Armenia doesn't have enough orphans. Great idea. Take away people's freedoms.

I'm noticing this is a theme with all of your improvement suggestions. Women aren't making good decisions, so we should take the decision from them was another of your suggestions right? Do you have any ideas that don't involve encroaching on people's liberties? Won't this kind of legislation discourage the diaspora Armenians from repatriating? I know it would discourage me from doing so. Why would I relocate to a country that significantly limits my freedom relative to where I am now? I know there are lots of reasons to move, but my point is that these kinds of things would be significant negatives to weigh against those positives. You're very ideological and not very pragmatic.

The incentives are a better idea. Didn't Artsakh do something similar to stimulate the birth rate? With the mass weddings and housing or what not?