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    Armenian Dialect - Why Is The Older One Wrong?

    Hello,

    I have a question about the Eastern and Western Armenian dialects. I don't want to cause arguments, just please answer my question.

    According to what I've researched, the Western Armenian alphabet is the same as the old S. Mashtots alphabet, and the Eastern Armenian alphabet is a Russified version to accommodate the Russian language.

    So my question is, why does older Western Armenian spell and pronounce certain things incorrectly?

    For example, many languages and dialects of the world know David as David, or Daniel as Daniel, or Ararat as Ararat. What's the reason in Western Armenian, David is Tavit, Daniel is Taniel, and Ararat is Ararad?

    Even Hayastan is Hayasdan. Everyone knows "-stan" suffix, why is it "sdan"?

    If there is no special reason for these pronounciations, why wasn't the spelling corrected? For example, instead of spelling Ararat in Western Armenian as Արարատ, why not spell it as Արարադ ?
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    Re: Armenian Dialect - Why Is The Older One Wrong?

    Originally posted by imhye
    Hello,

    I have a question about the Eastern and Western Armenian dialects. I don't want to cause arguments, just please answer my question.

    According to what I've researched, the Western Armenian alphabet is the same as the old S. Mashtots alphabet, and the Eastern Armenian alphabet is a Russified version to accommodate the Russian language.

    So my question is, why does older Western Armenian spell and pronounce certain things incorrectly?

    For example, many languages and dialects of the world know David as David, or Daniel as Daniel, or Ararat as Ararat. What's the reason in Western Armenian, David is Tavit, Daniel is Taniel, and Ararat is Ararad?

    Even Hayastan is Hayasdan. Everyone knows "-stan" suffix, why is it "sdan"?

    If there is no special reason for these pronounciations, why wasn't the spelling corrected? For example, instead of spelling Ararat in Western Armenian as Արարատ, why not spell it as Արարադ ?
    One - your research sucks. The Eastern Armenian alphabet has nothing to do with the Russians or the Russian language. Our alphabet was revized in the 1800's to make reading and writing easier. All our letters had 2-3 different sounds in them, like "Ah" was "aym" in Western Armenian. The word "Ararat" was spelled with an "Aym" - can you understand why reading and writing would be difficult with the original proncunciations of our letters?

    Western Armenian has also lost 2 of our distinctive sounds, possibly due to too much "mingling" with those savages, and Eastern Armenian has one new letter never before used prior to the 1800's, and thats "Yev."

    The thing you talked about at the end, about how the spelling is different than the saying, is not just Western Armenian - its Eastern too. Everybody knows "Vardan" is actually "Vartan" but it's still spelled with a Deh.

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      Re: Armenian Dialect - Why Is The Older One Wrong?

      Sorry, I may have misunderstood the Russification of Eastern Armenian, it may have been just words not the alphabet.

      I still don't understand the "revision" you explained. What are the letters Ah and Aym?

      I understand both Western and Eastern Armenian were changed due to foreign influences, but that doesn't answer my question why Western Armenian pronounces names wrong.

      Let's take Mount Ararat as an example, ironically even Our Mountain cannot be unified. Why is it Ararad (with a "d") and not Ararat (with a "t")?

      Another example, David, why is it Tavit?

      If Western Armenian alphabet was the original alphabet, why are such things spelled like this?

      Was it becasue of the Ottomans? Did they want to mess it up?

      I am not an expert in Armenian history, so please explain.

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        Re: Armenian Dialect - Why Is The Older One Wrong?

        Originally posted by imhye
        Sorry, I may have misunderstood the Russification of Eastern Armenian, it may have been just words not the alphabet.
        You're talking about us using Russian words once in awhile, but that is in no way "Russification." Explaining the revision...Im actually not too good at it, I tried my best, but I'd probably be able to do it better in person. The revision just made reading and writing easier because now the letters sounded EXACTLY like they did when you said the word...not aym beyn gkim - it'd be AH, BE, GE, DE ects.

        I dont understand what your trying to say with Ararat...its Ararat with a dteh...western armenian doesnt have dteh (I think), and it also doesnt have dz...the letters ts and dz both make the sound "dz" - and the letters de and dteh both make the "de" sound...like Instead of saying Dtygran (with a dteh) it's DYKRAN (with a DE).

        + No YEV.

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          Re: Armenian Dialect - Why Is The Older One Wrong?

          Originally posted by imhye
          Sorry, I may have misunderstood the Russification of Eastern Armenian, it may have been just words not the alphabet.
          It affected the pronouncation and the spelling of words. There was a thread about it here (I think) maybe a year ago.

          Eg.: the "yan" rather than the more accurate "ian" sounding ending to Armenian names was officially encouraged during the Soviet era, because it made the name more easily renderered into Cyrillic Russian.
          Plenipotentiary meow!

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            Re: Armenian Dialect - Why Is The Older One Wrong?

            PS
            I see that you have asked the same question on Jerkforum, and got better answers.

            PS, I call it "jerkforum" partly because the actual name is a banned word here - but mainly because, just like in the real Armenia, jerkforum is owned, run, and ruined, by a moronic oligarch-type person and his shaven-headed thugs.
            Plenipotentiary meow!

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              Re: Armenian Dialect - Why Is The Older One Wrong?

              Ummm, I don't know half of what you guys are talking about, probably because I am new.

              Anyway, yeah I posted at another Armenian forum too, to get as much answers as possible.

              So it seems it's the pronounciation of the regions.

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                Re: Armenian Dialect - Why Is The Older One Wrong?

                Stay on the topic people, please!
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                  Re: Armenian Dialect - Why Is The Older One Wrong?

                  armenians who speak western say aye pen kim at the start of their alphabet
                  Eastern is aye ben gim

                  i speak Western, i dont understand why u say its incorrect.
                  what is the correct Armenian? oh and we say ararat, not ararad

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                    Re: Armenian Dialect - Why Is The Older One Wrong?

                    Originally posted by imhye
                    Hello,

                    I have a question about the Eastern and Western Armenian dialects. I don't want to cause arguments, just please answer my question.

                    According to what I've researched, the Western Armenian alphabet is the same as the old S. Mashtots alphabet, and the Eastern Armenian alphabet is a Russified version to accommodate the Russian language.

                    So my question is, why does older Western Armenian spell and pronounce certain things incorrectly?

                    For example, many languages and dialects of the world know David as David, or Daniel as Daniel, or Ararat as Ararat. What's the reason in Western Armenian, David is Tavit, Daniel is Taniel, and Ararat is Ararad?

                    Even Hayastan is Hayasdan. Everyone knows "-stan" suffix, why is it "sdan"?

                    If there is no special reason for these pronounciations, why wasn't the spelling corrected? For example, instead of spelling Ararat in Western Armenian as Արարատ, why not spell it as Արարադ ?
                    I'll tell you why it's wrong.

                    Dialects are languages without armies.
                    Achkerov kute.

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