Armenian White Nationalism

[ddd]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

Armenians are white. How do I know? I look at all of the Armenians around, and over 70% of them are white and would not be mistaken for a persian or an arab. End of discussion.

As for the LA population hating armenians, I've noticed the exact opposite.

You're Armenian and you have darker skin? Who cares? Maybe get the Michael Jackson treatment

[jgk3]

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Seriously, it's not that hard to say Armenians are white, or caucasian.

It's only recently that the term "middle eastern" has been set as an ethnicity that is alternative to caucasian in surveys I've found on the net, and I wouldn't know if this is reflected in real life surveys, but my guess is it would be since it is useful to find a class for arabs and Israelis.

This term creates confusion, because Middle Easterners north of the Saudi desert are generally Caucasian or at least of Caucasian descent. And Armenians? It's rare that we get those brown-skins in our genepool, so why do you find it's so much more difficult for us to claim being white compared to Swedes? Sure, Swedes are almost always fairer skinned than us, but that doesn't make us any less white or Caucasian than we are.

And to Servo, I guess you can say I find it weird to see the odd pakistani looking Armenian. I'm not used to them... I remember talking to only one, who initially hated my guts for some non-related reason, and I'd point out how un-armenian he looked... I used to offend him in many ways but after a while, we stopped talking altogether... Then later on, we talked again and didn't mention the insultings that occured before.

And to Hatehseep, Armenian and Mouse weren't even addressing you, so why are you responding to them as though they were?

[Armenian]

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More points to consider:

For the last two thousand years the so-called "West" has been defined as being culturally Christian and genetically Caucasian. The West did not have set borders. Terms such as Europe, Middle East, Near East, Asia, etc, are political. These borders have always been fluid, they have always changed in time. Ask yourselves this question: Is Russia, Turkey, Chechnya or Cyprus European regions?

Two thousand years ago Armenia was stuck between Rome (West) and Persia (East).

One Thousand years ago Armenia was stuck between Byzantium (West) and Islam (East).

When Ottomans rose in power they pushed the "western" boundries far to the west, into the heart of Europe. As a result, for about eight hundred years Armenia was isolated, trapped within a newly formed Islamic, Semitic, Asiatic region.

Armenian today is again stuck between Europe, Asia and the Middle East. Thus, geo-politically its trully a crossroads - unfortunately.

Armenian national culture, not the bastardized crap most of you practice, is NOT Middle Easter, its not European - its unique to us Armenians.

However, if we had to compare, Armenian national culture comes closest to Western civilization - due to our language (when spoken properly), due to our music (when played properly), due to our phenotype (when not mixed), due to our social outlook (when educated),due to our history (when understood properly).

Lastly,the only reason when we are discussing the racial composition of Armenians is due to the mere fact that most of you here do not understand genetics. As a result, most of you here think that blonde, blue-eyed Nordics are the standard bearers of so-called "whiteness." Scientifically this is false. An olive skinned black-haired Italian or Greek is just as Caucasian as a pink skinned blonde Swede, although of a different sub-group. Also the reason why we confuse Arab, Turk or Persian with Armenians is because many Turks, Levantine Arabs and Persians are genetically Caucasian.

Trust me you would never confuse a Desert Arab or an Asiatic Turk with an Armenian, unless your deaf dumb and color blind.

Genetically, Armenians are Caucasians (we belong to the Medd, Alpine, Dinaric group). Culturally, we are Christian Aryans. Geographically, we are stuck at crossroads of the world.

[TJ]

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I wont even respond to the sheeps entire posts. basically reestablish what mouse said before and people didnt pay attention to, blue eyes, blond hair and fair skin are all recessive traits and that is why there are few in Armenia where the population has had an amount of arabs and turks mixing into parts of the population. And many lebanese and syrians arent even "genetically' arab, but rather descendents of the Phoenicians.

[imhye]

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Wow, I didn't know there are Armenians out there who decide how "Armenian" you are based on skin color and other factors. If you are born to Armenian parents and you believe in Christ you are an Armenian brother or sister to me, regardless where you are born or whether you're pale white or dark black.

Are you going to tell the darker skinned Italian he is not Italian? Are you going to tell the lighter skinned xxx he is not xxxish?

Also, why are some of you upset if people question if Armenia is in Middle East? Why are you embarassed? So what if it's considered in Middle East, or Asia, or Europe. Geography changes, it doesn't remain the same. Besides, it doesn't mean Europe or Asia is any better than the Middle East. We're all people.

The Armenian goal should be to survive and prosper, there are forces in the world that want us to be divided even further and God forbid eventually destroy the Armenian Nation and race.

By the way, let me introduce you to a U.S. political term called The Greater Middle East:

The Greater Middle East is a political term used to refer to the Arab World together with Turkey, Iran, Israel, Pakistan, and Afghanistan. Various Central Asian countries and the lower Caucasus (Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Georgia) are sometimes also included.

This expanded term was introduced in the summer of 2004 at a G8 summit by U.S. President, George W. Bush as part of a proposal for sweeping change in the way the West deals with the Middle East. This initiative was outlined around the Helsinki Accords from 1975.

[Hate_Sheep]

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Armenians are white. How do I know? I look at all of the Armenians around, and over 70% of them are white and would not be mistaken for a persian or an arab. End of discussion.

As for the LA population hating armenians, I've noticed the exact opposite.

You're Armenian and you have darker skin? Who cares? Maybe get the Michael Jackson treatment

Because u said so? Sorry I dont go off what i think, but how most odars percieve us. I dont let wishful thinking dictate my thoughts. I really could care less if we looked like Persians, but you have to have your head up your a$$, if you dont think most Armenians would be mistaken as Persian.
I dont even have that dark skin, I just dont hate my people that do.

[Hate_Sheep]

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Well everyone here is gettin bent all out of shape, for nothing. Some of the same people trying to claim their whiteness, discount other caucasians as white, which makes them hypocrits. Armenians are no whiter then Persians are, yet some try to claim we are, it is ridiculous. Secondly whether you like it or not, accept the fact, that many people, including most Armenians, or at least half living IN LA do not consider Armenians white. Just because you dont like that, does not mean you have to pretend it does not exist. I dont believe Armenians are white, yet it would be foolish for me to pretend, that some Armenians dont think they are white.
A far as that guy talkin about Pakistani looking Armenians, really get over yourself. There are plenty of them so called "pakistanis" lookin ones in LA. So why do you make fun of them, you think that makes you better then they are?
Actually the funny thing is, whenever I have brought, an odar to an Armenian party, no Armenians have ever spoke a word of Armenian to any of my "white" friends. Yet anyone middle eastern, or East Indian they spoke Armenian too, I wonder why this is?

[TJ]

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Well everyone here is gettin bent all out of shape, for nothing. Some of the same people trying to claim their whiteness, discount other caucasians as white, which makes them hypocrits. Armenians are no whiter then Persians are, yet some try to claim we are, it is ridiculous. Secondly whether you like it or not, accept the fact, that many people, including most Armenians, or at least half living IN LA do not consider Armenians white. Just because you dont like that, does not mean you have to pretend it does not exist. I dont believe Armenians are white, yet it would be foolish for me to pretend, that some Armenians dont think they are white.
A far as that guy talkin about Pakistani looking Armenians, really get over yourself. There are plenty of them so called "pakistanis" lookin ones in LA. So why do you make fun of them, you think that makes you better then they are?
Actually the funny thing is, whenever I have brought, an odar to an Armenian party, no Armenians have ever spoke a word of Armenian to any of my "white" friends. Yet anyone middle eastern, or East Indian they spoke Armenian too, I wonder why this is?

dude get over yourself. you are in no way the final say or solution on what Armenians think they are. i dont know why you feel because you try to take us away from being white you have a more liberal or openminded view. you just push your own agenda.

Actually i honestly doubt you are even Armenian, your parents and relatives try to speak Armenian to Arabs, Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis? Are they senile? on some sort of drugs?

Again I highly doubt you are Armenian, the things you say make me really wonder. why dont you tell us who you are and give us some background information so we can see where these interesting views of yours come from.

[parthiapride]

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Precisely. Try telling that to that to the colorblind folks.

I love dark-skinned Armenians. I plan on marrying one in the future...

I think the mostly dark skin comes from Assyrian admixture...I remember this hot-looking Assori chick at high school. She liked me but when she found out I was a grade lower than her, she ignored me...

[Hate_Sheep]

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dude get over yourself. you are in no way the final say or solution on what Armenians think they are. i dont know why you feel because you try to take us away from being white you have a more liberal or openminded view. you just push your own agenda.

Actually i honestly doubt you are even Armenian, your parents and relatives try to speak Armenian to Arabs, Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis? Are they senile? on some sort of drugs?

Again I highly doubt you are Armenian, the things you say make me really wonder. why dont you tell us who you are and give us some background information so we can see where these interesting views of yours come from.

LOL u make me laugh, because what you said applies to you. What makes you the final say? I am not even basing what I say soley on my own opinions, cant you accept the fact, that there are differing opinons then yours?
There are plenty, of people who do not accept Armenians as white, and if you wanna pretend like there arent you are just fooling yourself.
You can doubt all you want that I am Armenian, and I did not say my relatives were the ones that mistook these people as Armenian. I know what I am, and I do not have to prove it,nor care to have your acceptance. I am sayin the Armenians at these events, including a priest has mistaken these people for Armenians. I would bet my life, you would be hard pressed to tell an Armenian form a persian half the time also.
So because something took place, that you hate to acknowledge, the whole world must be senile or on drugs. Arent you doin what you accussed me of doin now, which is pushing your opinion on someone? It is funny how none of you can see your how hypocritical you are.