Armenian White Nationalism

[jgk3]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

I'm guessing you were addressing hatesheep, but your geography course that you took conflicts with what the new maps on the National Geographic are educating Americans to believe. The northern border of the Middle East is shown to be drawn across northern Georgia, and connects between the Black and Caspian seas.

The issue of the European/Middle Eastern border is confusing... It is fairly recent that this change has been published. It used to be considered that all the Soviet states in the Caucasus were in Europe, and after the breakup, common maps would include these Ex-Soviet states in Europe.

This is all the more reason why I should stick to associating Armenia with the Caucasus over Europe, or the Middle East.

[TJ]

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Well i never said Armenia must be considered geographically part of Europe, but Armenia, Georgia and even Azerbaijan (aka you said Caucasus) are definately not a widely percieved part of the mid-east.

[Anonymouse]

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Yeah you said it best..same applies for Armenians. It is funny, how you contradict yourself. If Arabs arent white, neither are Armenians. If you would accept what the average Armenian looked like, you would also accept the flaw in Armenians being white as well. I guess you have a case of selective vision, and low self esteem. The way you view Arabs and mexicans, is the way others view Armenians.
Oh but of course all Armenians that dont fit your ideal image, are mixed semites, I forgot..lol..you are a total disgrace.

Where did I contradict myself? Please point it out.

Armenians are not Arabs you blob of mucus. That some Armenians like the genes that you no doubt represent, resemble Arabs because of blood mixture is not the point. The majority of the Armenians are white. It certainly is selective vision when you try to present the minority of mixtures as somehow the rule.

While Arabs have caucasoid features and any physical anthropologists can tell you that, they are not white. You seem to be as bullheaded and ignorant as the typical leftist egalitarian obsessed with a denial and hatred of anything white. I am forced to conclude that you are one of those darker specimens that is a result of blood mixture and thus you feel the need to compensate for it by emotionally filled posts of no inherent value other than to express your confusion and disbelief that someone can hold and utter such vies as myself.

[Anonymouse]

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Actually this couldnt be further from the truth. They have nothing but hatred, and no love for their nation or people. If they had pride in being Armenian, they wouldnt need to be identified with being white, so badly. If they had pride in being Armenian, they would accept, "middle eastern looking" Armenians, as real Armenians, rather then Arabs, or mixed semites. If anything to me the "white looking Armenians" are more likely to be mixed with russian, then dark ones being mixed with arab. If they had pride in being Armenian, they would not post pictures of every white lookin Armenian, they can find on every site, to try to prove we are blonde hair and blue eyes, when they damn well know
the majority of us, are dark hair, and dark complexioned. If they were proud to be Armenian, they would not tell their fellow "white brothers", that if they see a dark Armo, he is either a turk or arab rape victim. Need I go on, I think you get the point?
They even say themselves there is no dark Armenians, and those Armenians that are dark are not Armenian. They would be just as quick to wipe out dark Armenians, as they would be to wipe out arabs, so dont be fooled, by these morons.
I dont think we can afford to accept them, if we want our race to move forward. If it was up to them, they would wipe out half the Armenian population themselves, because we are to "arab looking" for them.

No one stated those Armenians that are dark are not Armenian. You seem to be taking things awfully personally since you're probably one of those "tanned" Armenians. No one is talking about wiping anyone out. You need to settle down and stop being so damn emotional. You are shadow boxing with an imagined enemy.

However with that in mind, Armenians are white, have been white, and they are like any other mediterranean people such as Greeks, Italians, hell even among Arabs in Syria and Lebanon you find many white Arabs. What does that prove? Differences in genes. There are whites in Middle East and were more prevalent before but we all know the darker ones breed on a faster pace than the lighter peoples. And, when the darker and lighter peoples mix, the darker ones win out because white genes are recessive, not dominant.

[Anonymouse]

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You dont even need to go back 50 years, you can find example of it all over the place now. Most the white people in LA hate Armenians more then they do mexicans. Most Americans would not even be able to distinguish an Arab from an Armenian. These Armenians that join these idiotic white power crap, have extreme insecurity issues.

I have never joined any "white power crap", whatever that is, nor have been amused with "joining" anything period (except this forum), but logic and commonsense tell me more than you're worthless blabbering ever will. Logic and commonsense, for example, tell me that Armenians are white. You do not have to like it, you do not have to believe it, you can go on making yourself think Armenians are not white, but essentially you are duping yourself.

White Europeans hating white Armenians is irrelevant. At one point Anglo-Saxon Americans loathed Italians who are white, or even Greeks immigrating. Does that make them not white? If I didn't know any better, I'd say you are suffering from some major insecurity issues, for what other reason would you have to create such a rucus, and make a username and post in a similar thread a year ago and then not post at all for a year and then all of a sudden post again on a similar recurring issue arguing the same thing? My guess is this topic grabbed your attention and you felt you had to offer your two cents becuase it was "so close to home", right?

[jgk3]

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Why is it that arabs aren't considered white though, I'm curious. Such a large population of people consider themselves as Arabs, and they are spread over a fairly large region of the world. There are great variations for the phenotypes of Arabs from the desert regions when compared to those living in Lebanon for example.

If the focal point was on the Arabs in the northern Arab states, wouldn't physical anthropologists be less likely to dismiss them as non-whites rather than if the focal point was on the Saudis for example?

And out of curiousity, what are the official features that make one white? If there is a list, is the olive white skin considered non-white because it lacks that rosiness found in the more northern populations of Europe? If so, wouldn't that ruin the who sketch of things for the Mediterraneans in Europe who share that olive white complexion with Arabs?

Is the term "white" more culturally based than genetically/physically?

[Anonymouse]

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Lastly where do you even come up with the information that: (and im summarizing here) Blond blue eyed Armenians are mixed with Russians and darker Armenians are not mixed with Arabs or Turks? or vise versa? interesting to see how quickly you squash other people's views for not well backed up while you post random BS with even less proof or backing.

He doesn't know that Armenians and most of that region in general used to have huge whiter populations.

But for centuries now the population of whites has been shrinking and Armenians included and these peoples face extinction in the coming millenium. Who cares though, these dupes who buy in to everything told to them and believe the world is full of colorless bliss and everyone is holding hands, too myopic to realize the population, racial, cultural and civilizational shifts that are occuring as we speak.

[Anonymouse]

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Why is it that arabs aren't considered white though, I'm curious. Such a large population of people consider themselves as Arabs, and they are spread over a fairly large region of the world. There are great variations for the phenotypes of Arabs from the desert regions when compared to those living in Lebanon for example.

If the focal point was on the Arabs in the northern Arab states, wouldn't physical anthropologists be less likely to dismiss them as non-whites rather than if the focal point was on the Saudis for example?

And out of curiousity, what are the official features that make one white? If there is a list, is the olive white skin considered non-white because it lacks that rosiness found in the more northern populations of Europe? If so, wouldn't that ruin the who sketch of things for the Mediterraneans in Europe who share that olive white complexion with Arabs?

Is the term "white" more culturally based than genetically/physically?

Most Arabs are not white, but there are those like in Syria or Lebanon who are. They still have dark complexions like Italians or Armenians as far as the hair or eyes. In fact, I've even seen some that are blonde and very light or red haired.

Most of the Arabs however, are far darker than your garden variety Italian or Armenian with "olive skin". You folks must really not follow news of Iraq or Iran or seen the protest pictures of Muslims parading in lieu of the Danish cartoons. These people look far darker than mere "olive skinned". Ever seen Arabs from North Africa? They are so dark you may as well call them black.

[TJ]

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Most Arabs are not white, but there are those like in Syria or Lebanon who are. They still have dark complexions like Italians or Armenians as far as the hair or eyes. In fact, I've even seen some that are blonde and very light or red haired.

Most of the Arabs however, are far darker than your garden variety Italian or Armenian with "olive skin". You folks must really not follow news of Iraq or Iran or seen the protest pictures of Muslims parading in lieu of the Danish cartoons. These people look far darker than mere "olive skinned". Ever seen Arabs from North Africa? They are so dark you may as well call them black.

exactly.

[jgk3]

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Yeah I see what you mean. Still, the olive white skin is tied to the general skin colour that Arabs have, because only the ones with the "desert genes" (Saudi Arabia region?) really have the tint known as "brown".

Those Arab women in their hoods for example... Many of them are very white skinned, yet there's no rosy tint in them... It's that olive colour instead, although I'm guessing it's not the same type as that of Southern Europeans. Many of them (arab women) don't tan as much as their husbands because of their clothes however, so maybe tanning potential has to do with whiteness too? I have no clue.

So anyways, if we make distinctions within the arab population, we'd be able to stratify them with grades of skin complexion, and that would probably help Armenians as well in finding their individual positions in the spectrum. The obstacle is, the term "white" can perceived in so many different ways depending on the context or the person using the term, so we must either generalize, or go into depth, depending on which procedure is the more advantageous way to go about it in an argument.

When it comes to comparing Armenians to Arabs, I recommend going more into depth and using this concept of stratification within the Arab population itself that can be reflected geographically ("northern and western more white than southern" for example, so we can say Armenians have more in common with the northern and western Arabs than with the southern) rather than outright dismissing Arabs as non-white and Armenians as white.

Sorry for using to many words to describe something so simple, I guess that's just my way of doing things :P